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Old 05-13-2008, 06:53 AM
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TS head gasket - which to use?

I'm currently rebuilding my TS engine, and at the same time upping the CR to 11.5-12.0:1.. will any TS gasket hold, or are there some better suited than others? The standard CR is 10:1

Local motor factors carry Payen gaskets, but if need be I could get Spesso or Victor Reinz etc...

Also, would it be recommended to stick to the factory torque settings, or to go slightly higher?

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Old 05-14-2008, 04:17 PM
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Nobody any opinions about gaskets?

and are Twincam gaskets different from Twinspark gaskets?
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:06 AM
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reinz gasket is no better than payen ... even cheap glaser holds well
nord and ts gaskets are identical but nord have 6 oil pasages to head ts have only 2 at the front. u can torque bit higher than normal specs .. 100 110nm is no problem for 12 mm studs
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:15 AM
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thanks, will just get the one that's easiest...
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:36 PM
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Gasket

Hi Steven,

Very funny I have to pass by the US to talk to another guy from Belgium

I found this message on the net.

Maybe you should try to contact this Greg Hermann ... I think/hope he's talking about Alfa-Nord engines.

The trick seems to be the "bolting up" sequence rather then the gasket material...

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Old 05-22-2008, 04:44 AM
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Sounds exactly like mine.. thanks for the link Especially since it was your first ever post

Unfortunately we're left a bit in the cold when it comes to Alfa Romeo Forums in Belgium. But then, these engines are all but gone now, I feel lucky there seems to be a strong market in the US, due to vintage racing

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Old 05-27-2008, 04:01 PM
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Line boring a 1750 4-cylinder block

Please remind me the downsides of line boring blocks. Obviously the small timing chain will be looser. Does the crank still center on the oil seals?

A friend unknowingly ran an engine with too little oil in it (about two quarts in it) and #2 main totally froze, and #2 rod also didn't look so hot. The other journals didn't look great, somewhat scored, but both the mains and rod journals miked out perfectly - though there is a copper coating on #2 main. This engine has 7K miles on it.

We just brought over a spare block and I'll be pulling off the oil pan as soon as I send this off.

The machinist (where we were earlier today) was pretty much saying doom and gloom. He's swamped with work so it's not a ploy to make it as expensive as possible. He is afraid the #2 main has distorted - and might well be right. Looking at both the bearing half in the block and the cap, there was obviously a lot of heat involved.

Friend would like to get the engine back ASAP, primarily because he has been using the car it came from (a Berlina) as a daily driver. He does have plenty of other cars to drive in the meantime though.

My rambling is...if my engine, I'd have the machinist grind the crank 10 under and give it back to me. I'd put in fresh bearings after bluing both the #2's main and rod inserts. I'd turn the engine over a good handful of times and if the wear on the bluing looked even, I'd leave it. I would run the engine for only a few minutes then drain the oil and replace the filter.

Oh, I forgot to add that the head is currently still on. So not a lot of work to get it buttoned up to give it a try. Crank and head from this engine could later be switched to the other block if need be.

Comments?

Biba
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:41 PM
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Hi,

I found some interesting background info about gaskets :

Why gaskets fail

The science of sealing

Some recent development from Mahle (Clevite Inc)-Reintz Wave Stopper ..well it's for a Ford but could be usefull for Alfa Nord-engines due to the mixed use of materials (iron liners versus Alu pistons and head) and their difference in thermic expansion.

@Steven, seams you are building an interesting engine ... why don't you start a topic about that one?

@Biba, did you post in the correct thread?
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:08 PM
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Sorry everyone, my posting here was a total mistake. Sorry to have taken up the space.

On the other hand, since I have a (not installed) TS I find this thread interesting so am happy to be on the 'mailing list'.

Biba
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