10-29-2009, 07:06 AM
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Engine removal procedure
I am in a process doing engine overhauling to my 74 GTV 2.0L. I will be removing only the engine since the transmission was rebuilt recently.
How many bolts are exactly to remove the engine from the bellhousing and which part ot the tie rod needs to come loose to pull the engine out.
I heard that removing engine alone is much more difficult than together with transmission, the reason it will be difficult to bolt it back in.
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There are some threats on this topic. Thy the help function
However, some prefer to leave transmission in the car. Others to remove it as one piece.
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10-30-2009, 05:00 AM
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Georgio,
Do you have an engine hoist? If not you can borrow mine if you like.
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10-30-2009, 05:33 AM
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Thank you Kevin, I bought an engine puller and a stand. It should arrive today. It will be a winter project.
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Excellent! I just got done with the 1K breaking in of the hopped up 3.0L I built fo my Verde VERY slowly over the past two years. Am in the process now of trying to get it running right with the MegaSquirt I built over two years ago.
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Last night I tried to pull the engine out no success. I have everything disconnect, sway bar, steering rod, motor mount, bellhousing, hoses, cables, etc.... I know where the problem is the shaft on the bellhousing, I see the engine comes off the motor mount then the crane is getting tilted, I even raised the transmission with a jack.
Any thoughts how to do this the easy way. Also I am alone maybe thats the problem?
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If you get too stuck let me know and I can swing by and help you out, wouldn't be until Sunday though.
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To answer your question, four studs and two bolts hold the engine and trans together. Two studs on each side, down low, and one bolt higher up.
You removed the clutch/flywheel cover and dropped the steering center link?
It can help the lift the engine/trans combo a bit with a hoist on the lifting hook, then support the front of the trans at that angle. As high as you can get it is good. You removed the radiator and sway bar? All four motor mount nuts/bolts are out? Ground strap removed? It's near the starter. Three starter bolts removed?
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11-12-2009, 02:38 PM
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That is, one bolt higher up on each side.
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11-12-2009, 03:33 PM
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To answer your question, four studs and two bolts hold the engine and trans together. Two studs on each side, down low, and one bolt higher up.
You removed the clutch/flywheel cover and dropped the steering center link?
It can help the lift the engine/trans combo a bit with a hoist on the lifting hook, then support the front of the trans at that angle. As high as you can get it is good. You removed the radiator and sway bar? All four motor mount nuts/bolts are out? Ground strap removed? It's near the starter. Three starter bolts removed?
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And it still won't come apart? No stray wires, hoses, hidden extra attachments or whatever? You have tried tugging/jerking the engine forward like a mofo?
How about prying slightly on the engine/trans interface? Maybe the input shaft is rusted to the clutch disk?
If you have a 1600-style bellhousing, open at the bottom, you can unbolt the clutch plate by turning it and undoing the bolts. On a hydraulic style bellhousing this isn't possible.
Maybe have to bite the bullet and take them both out, then figure out what the problem is?
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And it still won't come apart? No stray wires, hoses, hidden extra attachments or whatever? You have tried tugging/jerking the engine forward like a mofo?
How about prying slightly on the engine/trans interface? Maybe the input shaft is rusted to the clutch disk?
If you have a 1600-style bellhousing, open at the bottom, you can unbolt the clutch plate by turning it and undoing the bolts. On a hydraulic style bellhousing this isn't possible.
Maybe have to bite the bullet and take them both out, then figure out what the problem is?
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Maybe have to bite the bullet and take them both out, then figure out what the problem is?
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When you wrote: "I know where the problem is the shaft on the bellhousing" do you mean the input shaft to the transmission? The shaft with the splines that fits into the clutch disk? If that isn't coming loose from the disk, it is probably because the engine and transmission aren't perfectly aligned. I have found that they need to be aligned for that shaft to come out (and to go back in).
If you are having this problem on the disassembly phase, it isn't going to get easier for the reassembly phase.
Brute force may not be the best solution here. If you can enlist a helper, you might have him get under the car, and lift the transmission up/down, left/right while you pull the engine forward, to try to find the position where the shaft will come free.
But again, the reinstall could be even tougher. Once your engine work is done, you may want to drop the tranny, attach it to the engine while they are both on your garage floor, and reinstall them as a unit.
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I agree with jay. You need to pull the engine from the gearbox along the axis of the crankshaft/gearbox input shaft. Jack up the front of the gearbox and adjust the hoist until it barely lifts the bell housing then lower it the slightest amount. Then shake the motor and pull it away from the gearbox at the same time.
I have done it this way and I can confirm that getting it back together is at least 5 times more difficult than getting it apart.
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I have pulled and installed many Alfa engines by myself, as have others, so it can be done. But yes, a little caution to go with the mofo brute force is likely a good idea. Alignment of the engine/trans coming apart it not usually nearly as important as when going together. But if the clutch/flywheel combo is too misaligned with trans input shaft they will bind.
Was this car recently running? Clutch wasn't rusted/frozen? You are supporting the trans under the bellhousing on trans, allowing it to sit in a straight plane with the engine? Pry gently one side, then the other, at the engine/bellhousing parting line, working it forward slowly, to see if it moves? I'm having trouble picturing what could be hanging up at 1" out. You crawled around all sides and underneath looking for anything not disconnected, or binding, or in the way?
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