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Old 10-30-2009, 07:48 AM
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Yes, the 1300's intention is not to be a 2L beater. Just going to do the fan and the slightly hotter cams and then stop. The BHP/Money ratio not worth it.
No substitute for cubic centimetres then.

As it is, the 2L Giulietta is already my toy for going fast. It has the brakes and suspension mods to match too. Hooligan car.

Problem with moods and Alfas is that I usually end up choosing that Giulietta..... thus the intended mods for the Giulia, just to make it slightly more exciting. Otherwise it just ends up standing for months on end in the garage, which is never a good thing.
If you want to improve your 1300 without opening it and avoiding the risk of breaking the sleeves o-rings removing the head, I would suggest some work on air intake (good trumpets make difference!, and you can do without the paper filter if you use it occasionally), a good exhaust header (not too large, but with equal branches), lightening of the flywheel using the GTA drawing as reference, and MILD cams. You can try changing intake camshaft only, as in the 2L it seems to give interesting results.
Careful rejetting and electronic ignition with serious spark plugs (I found wery good the Bosch Super4) and wires are mandatory.

IMO, everything hotter than this can kill the low and midrange torque, or requires skilled modifications of the ducts and a far higher CR than standard.

This come from my experience, hope can be useful

Alberto
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:04 AM
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Thanks Alberto.
Might try that electronic ignition as well as it should be easily reversible. I do however not want to start lightening rotational components, porting, or other irreversible modifications. I would not feel too good about that. The Giulia is often used in concourse competitions and successfully too, so I want modifications to be easily and quickly reversable. It is a rustfree 1973 car with 90 000 km and original paintwork, interior, etc. It was bought new by my good friend and always looked after like it was his wife.

As far as modifications go though, best results are achieved by doing the whole package: Cams, porting, increasing the compression, freer flowing exhausts and lightening the rotation components, etc. But maximum power is not the objective with my 1300. I will be happy with 5 extra kilowatts.

Please tell me more about your 1300?

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I start from the axiom that you don't want to open the engine, because this means costs for work and spares, expecially because when you lift off the head there's no possibility to know whether one or more liners have followed even slightly the head gasket, unseating the bottom o-ring. Because the o-rings are old and rigid, they are hardly able to reseat themselves correctly when disturbed. This means that, if you want to be sure your water will not flow into your oil, you need to dismantle completely the engine and change the o-rings. I didn't do that, and after 3000 km the fourth rod started knocking...

So, if you want to save money, you are forced to live with the original ducts and CR. Luckily, even if both are not the the state-of-the-art for today's standards, they surely were at their time.

The other point is that the 1300 has the highest power/displacement ratio of all the alfa street engine till the twin spark (montreal excluded). This means you cannot expect great improvement without altering the torque band, translating the peak to higher revs.
With the long ratio axle of the 1600, you don't have great margins in loosing low-end torque.

So you have to think "torque oriented" instead of "power oriented".
That's why you shouldn't do what I did on my car. My engine is peaking somewere near 7000, but you have to make a great use of gearbox in the twisty roads, as torque start to be interesting around 4000.

So, in my opinion you have to:
1) free the airflow of the intake using full radius trumpets and possibly a gta-style airbox to breath calm air and reduce intake noise;
2) free gasflow in the exhaust with a tricky header. If you don't find something made specificaly for a road going 1300, then save your money and keep the original one.
3) use a mild set of camshafts. I used C&B, but they rob some low-end torque, and require a higher CR than standard. I never tried, but some people with 2L are happy changing the intake cam alone, reporting a very flat torque. This may be right for your purpose. Change followers when changing cams.
4) Lighting the flywheel is very simple on a lathe, the hardest part being the removal of the gearbox. You can rebalance it to get the best job, but it's not mandatory;
5) even the best engine can't run well if ignition timing and fuel ratio are incorrect. The carbs will need rejecting (probably only main jet and air corrector): a lambda sond and an inboard reader are a definite help in reducing trial-and-error effort. Ignition advance curve is a very different matter. Theorically, you would need a lot of dyno work, a blocked distributor and an exhaust gasses pyrometer to found the right curve. IMO, if your engine is close to standard you can live well with the original curve, maybe retarded a couple of degrees. If you have a pyrometer, you can set the distributor reading 740°C at maximum advance.
Electronic ignition is so better than points that it's out of discussion keeping the original point/condenser unit. You can fit a kit for your distributor or fit a whole new unit. There is the 123 123ignition electronic ignition systems for classic cars that have a lot of curves implemented, and this is a great help in searching for the right one.
Change wires, plugs and coil regardlessy of their apparent conditions.
6) electric radiator fan gives you some very quiet horsepower
7) You can try with using a single-row cam chain, considering that cams are mild.

BTW, if you like using the gearbox, you can use wilder camshafts and increasing chokes diameter to 29 or 30 mm. In this case, my advice is to use the shorter fifth gears of the 1300 junior (0.86 ratio).

that's what I honestly think.

Alberto
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:34 PM
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Yes.... those 1300's have got a good spesific output. And the bore/stroke ratio is also good. The least compromised in terms of design of all the Nord engines.

Thanks for all the advice. Much appreciated. The mild performance cams are on my "to do" list, as well as the electric fan and the electronic ignition.

Saluti

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Old 11-03-2009, 02:33 PM
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Yes.... those 1300's have got a good spesific output. And the bore/stroke ratio is also good. The least compromised in terms of design of all the Nord engines.
mmm... let me not to agree with you. With a 80° valves angle, if you want to reach a decent CR you need to fit domed pistons, and the more oversquare (=bigger bore/stroke ratio) the engine, the more domed the pistons. Thermodynamically, this is not an advantage because the shape of the combustion room with piston ad TDC is far from ideal. That's one of the reasons of the great superiority of the TS engine (head).
The 1750 has the lowest bore/stroke ratio of the alfa dohcs and uses the same head of the 1600, so the pistons have little dome. This is not the only reason, but its torque band is soooo enjoyable! :-)

Make us know your mods and your results!

good work

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Old 11-10-2009, 06:26 PM
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I put the 77mm pistons in my very first Alfa, a 750 Spider Veloce and it was the best modification bang for the buck wise I've ever done to any engine I've ever put a wrench on.
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