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I disagree there. The smog test is the sniffer and a visual. If you can add the items needed for the visual, it should pass. As mentioned before, Spica is fuel injection and the book says it needs to be fuel injection. An air injection rail, pump, and catalytic converter. That's what they are looking for. It's not that different looking an engine otherwise.
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If you can get it looking stock, it will very likely pass. But, if it gets sent to the referee, they even go far as (this was on a kit car someone brought in) checking the date code on a chevy 350 block and if had been anything newer than 66 it would have to have been completely stock for that year. But then again, the people I know with engine swapped volkswagens that looked stock had no problem at all passing the normal smog test.
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Well, one of my hard air lines cracked after two weeks. Maybe Alfa knew what they were doing when they made the air line with bellows in between each tube. There must be some vibrations going on. Maybe that's why all the manifolds are in two pieces too.

I think I'll have to adapt the Alfa one. I don't have much room between the #4 exhaust and the brake MC lines, so that's why I went for a custom low profile job. I chose a local machinist too that didn't have the tool to make an inferted flare fitting in metric, so we went with existing brass fittings and he used most of his skill in making the log and individual tubes. On my Euro Alfetta manifold I used Merritt Carden who adapted the Alfa one to his custom bungs. I live farther away from him now, so I chose a local guy.

I will need to revisit my air injection rail. Maybe some of the US experts on the Spica section, exhuast section, or Alfa-Digest can shed some light on the bellows of the US air rail. Every air rail I've seen in the junk yards are all hard lines with no bellows.
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what it looks like but I have a stock one for you if you want it. Just removed from an Alfetta, I think. I will check w/ Harry tonight.
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I have a few air rails, thanks. My local machinist didn't wan't to use it because he didn't have metric inverted flare taps to make the bungs for. There are local brass parts available, so he wanted to make it out of US available hardware and it would be quick and cheap.
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Biba - a couple of answers:

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Did you have a broken #4 exhaust header pipe?
Yes, I searched for a spare set to do the air rail conversion and I was thinking to remove it after the smog test. The one I found was cracked so I had it welded. Looks were not too important, since I would swap out once I passed.

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Just curious as to what radiator reservoir bottle you're using? Mine has a strap down the grooved center.
I was not aware there were different bottles for Alfettas. My GTV has a horizontal strap in a grove on the bottle, but the Alfetta has a tab on the top and bottom. The top slides into a grove, and the bottom is screwed down to the fender well (or the other way arround).

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And where's the A/C pump? Personally I'd much rather have an A/C pump rather than a plain old air pump.
Are you suggesting the A/C pump be used as an air injection pump? I got a power steering pump with the engine, but not an A/C pump.
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...Getting past the visual will be the hard part...
I don't have to get mine smogged. Dunno why, just one year, so smog req'd!

but even then, if I did have to, F-A-I-L. The upside-down sticker on the passenger side of the engine bay says and I quote "this vehicle meets the US emmision standards for 1974" and the part to put the red ink in the F-A-I-L. It says it has SPICA Injection, but weber 40's are mounted to the intake. D'oh!
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I don't have to get mine smogged. Dunno why, just one year, so smog req'd!
Chris,

Cars from model year 1975 or earlier no longer require CA smog inspection. There used to be a 'rolling 30' exemption, which meant that cars became exempt when they got to be 30 years old. In your case, they would have stopped requiring smog inspection in 2004. In 2005, however, this was changed to a 'MY 1975 or earlier' exemption.
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Well this goes to show that you can't count on your state's smog rules lasting forever. Everyone in the US should pay attention to what us CA guys are doing to our TS conversions. It could help you in the future.

An update on my cracked air rails - I decided to modify the Alfa air rail with the bellows, because I think the bellows are necessary. Since the machinist had already drilled and tapped my manifolds with 1/4 NPT I am trying to stay with US brass pipe fittings. I noticed that the small tubes seem to be identical to what the machinist used - 5/16". Or it must be 8mm tubes, which 5/16 = 7.9375mm. So I got a flaring kit, cut off the flare, slipped off the Metric tube nut, slid on the US tube nut, and flared the tube. Here are some pics. I'll post another picture when it is all together.
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The upside-down sticker on the passenger side of the engine bay says and I quote "this vehicle meets the US emmision standards for 1974" and the part to put the red ink in the F-A-I-L. It says it has SPICA Injection, but weber 40's are mounted to the intake. D'oh!
US Emissions are different than California (C.A.R.B.?) rules. All cars in California meet and exceed U.S. emission standards, allowing them to be registered in any of the other 49 states, no problem. But, if you have a 49 state legal, 1976 or newer car, you may run into trouble trying to get it registered in CA. My '76 Alfetta wouldn't pass state inspection because I brought it in from AZ as a 49 state legal car (and it didn't have the proper CA emissions stickers on the firewall) - and at the time, I was assuming that the rolling exemptions would catch up to it (which never happened). Long, painful story short - the state took the car. Technically, my '75 sedan is also a 49 state only car - but since it doesn't have to be smogged - the CHP who inspected it barely even checked the stickers, and I got it in.
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I have non CA cars. they just need to have all the 49 State smog stuff. and they put on a sticker.
for my 84 b2000 is says it needs a cat, air injection, EGR. on the sticker. the CA one had all kinda of crap and a smog pump. my 49 state version get very very good MPG and has a lot more power. the CA version sucks down gas like a SUV and is gutless.
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Here is an update and pictures of my TS manifold with brass 1/4 NPT fittings and the Alfa smog rail with US tube fittings - 5/16" tube nuts = ~ Alfa's 8mm tubes. I fitted and photographed both the 90 degree brass inverted flare adapter, and a more appropriate 45 degree adapter. The boss that was drilled on the TS manifold is at about 45 degree to the horizontal, so 45 degree adapters put the rail almost vertical.
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My 79 "CA" Spider, last week, on the Club outing to the desert (over 400 miles), did an average of 30 MPG with all the smog crap on it a,d słog test passed less than 6 weeks ago
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Claude, and when did you install a Twin Spark engine in your '79 Spider? You do realize that is what the TS in the title of this thread is about? In any event, it's nice to hear your Spider passed.

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