GTV-S2000 (warning not for the Alfa purist)

[5yearplan]

The gas and brake pedal should be close, with the clutch further away, especially if you plan on heel-toeing during engine braking and quick down shifts. An inch or two makes all the difference. The stock pedal photo shows that all three are 3" apart, but I would put the clutch further away (4") and the gas pedal further away from the firewall (2") and the brake pedal down further, and 2" away from the gas so you can span both the gas and brake without interfering with the clutch. My $.02.

[Nipper]

I think it would be a better idea to place the brake and accelerator pedals closer aswell. Double clutching will be so sweet with the S2000 gearbox! The motor and gearbox combo is lethal, I love it.

[PSk]

I'd just move the clutch pedal a little further left. You do not need pedals sitting on top of each other to heal and toe, and you have to think first of safety!!!

Thus I'd make it either how Alfa Romeo had it, or like Honda did it ... they have had more practice of designing this stuff than we have .
Pete

[Keven]

Got the Wilwood's on! The fronts bolt right on, I only had to
ream out the mounting hole on the caliper to fit the 12mm bolts.
Great for only $350 for both front calipers! These have been
discontinued, but Wilwood still has some stock, so order them
now if you are intersted. Wilwood will stock a higher priced caliper
to take it's place.

Machined a bracket to fit the rear Wilwoods. All fits great. Now
I have to plumb it all up. I am thinking of using braided lines, along
with stainess rigid tubes. My understanding is that the stainless
rigid tubes are an allow that can be bent. Has anyone used this
type of tubing?

[Keven]

more pics...

[PSk]

Nice and neat.

Pete

[smestas]

Thanks for the updates Keven.

Definitely one of my favorite BB project cars to follow.

[slyalfa]

"The gas and brake pedal should be close, with the clutch further away, especially if you plan on heel-toeing during"
is it just me but it seem the clutch is way to far on both my alfas.
I guess I just do not have the heel-toeing thing down.
I do it the wrong way on my jap cars. I hit the clutch and break with the side of my left foot
and the right only does revmatching. but in the alfa I can't seem to do it ether way.
there is no way to hit the clutch and the break with one foot. and the the gas the the break are so close that that I can't seem to do a heel-toe. if I try my foot seems to miss the pedel and dig into the tunnel. or I hit both at the same time with the heel. but my toe is way past.
The alfas are the only car I can't hold the break and start out on a steep hill.
I have to just do a quick start. but on everything else I can hold the clutch and break and give gas.

[Nipper]

Quote:

Originally Posted by slyalfa "The gas and brake pedal should be close, with the clutch further away, especially if you plan on heel-toeing during" is it just me but it seem the clutch is way to far on both my alfas. I guess I just do not have the heel-toeing thing down. I do it the wrong way on my jap cars. I hit the clutch and break with the side of my left foot and the right only does revmatching. but in the alfa I can't seem to do it ether way. there is no way to hit the clutch and the break with one foot. and the the gas the the break are so close that that I can't seem to do a heel-toe. if I try my foot seems to miss the pedel and dig into the tunnel. or I hit both at the same time with the heel. but my toe is way past. The alfas are the only car I can't hold the break and start out on a steep hill. I have to just do a quick start. but on everything else I can hold the clutch and break and give gas.

[slyalfa]

(left for both clutch and break)
yea that is why I said I do it wrong

but if I try to use the right break+gas I do not have the movment needed on the gas.
they are so close that if I try to use the same foot I can not give the gas near the amount needed vs where the break is. the break for the most part does not move it is just more or less force but the movment is very small in the working range. the gas needs the whole range.

it is likly I am just doing it wrong. as I self learned my wacky way leftfoot doing breaks+clutch
driving on lots of steep hills as a kid. and dowshift the same way. I have never been able to do the right foot break+gas on a alfa. on some of my jap cars I can go ether way. as the gas and break have some space and the gas goes way high so I can put my heal or arch on the break and hit the gas with my toe.

I played with the spider for a while with the gas pedel off so it just had the small stub up high and it seemed to help a lot. but the the small rod was a bit too small.

[PSk]

Guys you both have it wrong regarding heel and toeing, actually Adam is pretty close just concerned some might be confused regarding the side of the feet comments.

Note the term name: "Heal and toe". You are supposed to brake with your toe, and use your heal to blip the throttle. It's dead easy, you just need to rotate your foot sideways a bit. This is why Alfas have such long throttle pedals, to make it easy for the heal to find the throttle.

Remember this all started back in the very old days when the throttle was in the middle ... but now it's unfortunately not.

You need to brake with the toe area of your foot to get maximum control. This using your sides of your foot is dangerous IMO ... last thing you want to do is slip off the brake pedal and nail the car infront.

I can heal and toe in any car ... you do not need the brake and accelerator pedal sitting on each other, but it is much easier with a nice and long accelerator/throttle pedal. Have a look at a 105 series Alfa's throttle pedal and you will see how long it is and how it extends way down below the brake pedal just for this reason.

While I have not driven a left hand drive Alfa Romeo, I really cannot understand why Kevin simply does not use the Alfa pedal arrangement?, as for sporty driving I have never found ANY Alfa Romeo wanting in this area. What I would do if this was my car, and only because the brake calipers have been change, is install a balance bar with separate front and rear master cylinders (and place the booster on a shelf in the garage as no longer required. These cars are light enough to get away without it, with modern pad compounds). This will allow them to be changed to get the perfect front to back balance which simply takes track time to work out. On top of that you have the safety advantage of having separate circuits AND also the ability to fine tune the balance by adjusting the bar.

Best
Pete

[Nipper]

This is what I was trying to explain with the sides

"The name, stemming from earlier automotive designs where the accelerator pedal was on the left and could be actuated with the heel while the brake pedal was actuated with the toe, is misleading regarding how the technique is carried out in modern cars, i.e., operating the brake with the left edge of the foot, while rocking it down and to the right to operate the throttle. With practice, it becomes possible to smoothly and independently operate both pedals with one foot."

[DaveH]

Adam,

I don't know where that advice comes from, but it strikes me as a recipe for disaster.

Take Pete's advice! Twist your right foot to enable the ball of your big toe to be centered on the brake pedal. Your heel should find the throttle no problem.

DaveH

[DaveH]

Forgot to add: Keven, the project is looking better and better with every post. Definitely one of my favorite threads.

[Keven]

Had a request for the rear brake caliper adapter.