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View Poll Results: 2007 AROC Convention - When are you arriving?
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I'll be there before Aug 1st
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I'll be there by Wed, Aug 1st (BOD meeting)
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28.57% |
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I'll be there by Thurs, Aug 2nd (Time Trials, Party)
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I'll be there by Fri, Aug 3rd (Autocross, and more)
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I'll be there by Sat, Aug 4th (Concours, Banquet)
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06-30-2007, 07:05 AM
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 Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Braden
Thank you for your post --- you might want to share the bold, italicized type above with a few others on the board who seem to have a different opinion of what "we" should be allowed to do and who want to control whom we associate with while at the convention, all while we're supposedly having fun, enjoying others company, and our Alfas.
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bs
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06-30-2007, 08:35 AM
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Someone stated earlier that in the past, "unsanctioned" get togethers were frowned on by event organizers.
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06-30-2007, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GTV4EVR
Someone stated earlier that in the past, "unsanctioned" get togethers were frowned on by event organizers.
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The only indication I've seen is Brewsters post, but is he speaking for the club, or the organizers? I hope not!
bs
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06-30-2007, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by robtechno
Because it's about who IS going that's why you can't find it.
Who is interested in the NOT go'ers
Thanks.
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And dare I say that there are scores of people who are disappointed that Jaci and I will not be attending.
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06-30-2007, 09:46 AM
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In the Spiders' nest...
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Location: Nutley/NJ & Middletown/OH, USA
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Originally Posted by papajam
...And dare I say that there are scores of people who are disappointed that Jaci and I will not be attending.
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Best regards,
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06-30-2007, 01:41 PM
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2007 Alfa Convention (Aug. 1-5) - Who's going?
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Originally Posted by bshorey
I've heard it mentioned, but I'd like to see who's actually doing it. When we hosted the convention in New England, we *encouraged* BB and Digest get togethers. I know Eric responded to this post recommending a time for a BB get together.
The only indication I've seen is Brewsters post, but is he speaking for the club, or the organizers? I hope not!
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Although, Brewster is somewhat new to the club he is relying on the old "closed" rules in his statement that appears to reflect and represent the board as a whole as well as the board sanctioned spying which was done in the past etc. If you do not wish to be included in that interpretation, it's nice that you're speaking out as Eric has in openly encouraging or sanctioning the event(s).
As far as New Hampshire, I agree that there was no discouragement of others meeting as they chose; however, some of it was very "elitist" and it was obvious if "they" felt you didn't belong. You could cut the air with a knife in one selective group's meeting, which was by invitation only. My best guess, is this is the behavior that the board is trying to control or discourage. The way they have chosen to do it is to sanction "nothing" that is not on the schedule of events, which clearly cuts into the realm that Enrique described where you could be challenged for meeting a friend or group of friends at the bar or a restaraunt, without conferring with the event organizers. This is not the first time I've seen this happen before in my years in the club where the board or a board member makes policy without discusisng it with others including the chapter hosting the convention. I'm sure I don't need to offer further details than that, for those that were members during that time. Do we really want to go there again?
I can assure you with this mentality expanding the base of the club will never happen....and it will eventually be doomed to failure.
You might try reading some of the "old" club history and get some familiarity with it; it will give you a good basis for making decisions that are not based on existing politics since you seem to be one who wishes to fly his own ship and not necessarily be led by the other board members.
Btw, congratulations on your recent election. It's nice to have a new face and one who appears to want to stand his ground even if it disagrees with the board as a whole. Nice to see!!!
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Last edited by Pat Braden; 06-30-2007 at 01:54 PM.
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06-30-2007, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pat Braden
It certainly appeared that he was speaking both for the club and the organizers in his capacity as a board member. His silence, as far as no response to the posts questioning his position, speaks volumes and clearly demonstrates both his and the board's position in that regard. I'm assuming, a real big leap of faith on my part, that your post seems to indicate that you are in disagreement with his stated position.
Although, Brewster is somewhat new to the club he is relying on the old "closed" rules in his statement that appears to reflect and represent the board as a whole as well as the board sanctioned spying which was done in the past etc. If you do not wish to be included in that interpretation, it's nice that you're speaking out as Eric has in openly encouraging or sanctioning the event(s).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Braden
As far as New Hampshire, I agree that there was no discouragement of others meeting as they chose; however, some of it was very "elitist" and it was obvious if "they" felt you didn't belong. You could cut the air with a knife in one selective group's meeting, which was by invitation only. My best guess, is this is the behavior that the board is trying to control or discourage. The way they have chosen to do it is to sanction "nothing" that is not on the schedule of events, which clearly cuts into the realm that Enrique described where you could be challenged for meeting a friend or group of friends at the bar or a restaraunt, without conferring with the event organizers. This is not the first time I've seen this happen before in my years
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Are you *seriously* telling me that the AROC BOD would break up dinner and bar meetings that were 'unsanctioned'? You're kidding, right? This borders on lunacy. I've been to a bunch of conventions, and I've never seen or heard of such a thing.
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Originally Posted by Pat Braden
in the club where the board or a board member makes policy without discusisng it with others including the chapter hosting the convention. I'm sure I don't need to offer further details than that, for those that were members during that time. Do we really want to go there again?
I can assure you with this mentality expanding the base of the club will never happen....and it will eventually be doomed to failure.
You might try reading some of the "old" club history and get some familiarity with it; it will give you a good basis for making decisions that are not based on existing politics since you seem to be one who wishes to fly his own ship and not necessarily be led by the other board members.
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'Old club history'? There is such a thing?
Quite frankly, it's the current situation I'm concerned with, not 'old club'. I've never seen or heard of the behavior you're describing, if that's something that happened 30 years ago I really don't care. If it's happening now, then wow, my first BOD meeting should be a fun one!
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Originally Posted by Pat Braden
Btw, congratulations on your recent election. It's nice to have a new face and one who appears to want to stand his ground even if it disagrees with the board as a whole. Nice to see!!!
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Who would know? I haven't yet had a disagreement with anybody on the board!
bs
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06-30-2007, 04:37 PM
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2007 Alfa Convention (Aug. 1-5) - Who's going?
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Originally Posted by bshorey
I'll let Brewster chime in and speak for himself..
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You can wait along with the rest of us that have been looking for a clarification or explanation of his/the Board's position. So far it has not been forthcoming. Maybe, he's on vacation as well as the rest of the board members except you that have a presence on the board.
I would sooner thing it's a hot potato that they don't want to juggle or deal with as was stated in the first post about putting it on the agenda a year from now. But just my opinion.
At any rate, the silence is deafening!!!!
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Originally Posted by bshorey
Are you *seriously* telling me that the AROC BOD would break up dinner and bar meetings that were 'unsanctioned'? You're kidding, right? This borders on lunacy. I've been to a bunch of conventions, and I've never seen or heard of such a thing.
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Lunacy or not...it would not surprise me. I had a member ask me within the last month what happened to the jacuzzi parties after the board meetings with the left-over strewn undergarments leading the ways to rooms. What do you think happened to them?  Any guesses?
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Originally Posted by bshorey
'Old club history'? There is such a thing?
Quite frankly, it's the current situation I'm concerned with, not 'old club'. I've never seen or heard of the behavior you're describing, if that's something that happened 30 years ago I really don't care. If it's happening now, then wow, my first BOD meeting should be a fun one!
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Keep in mind while board members change, the "old guard" still directs many of the board members and their actions and that "old" ways die hard even with new blood; there is still substantial influence and direction from those that no longer officially hold a board position. There is nothing like first hand knowledge to convince you, which you will soon experience.
Your first board meeting should be an "enlightening" experience for you. As far as the current situation, that's what we're all interested in. FTR, the presidential issue was within the last 5 years and I'm sure you can figure out the time frame within the last 10 to 15 years of policy making by a few or a single person who are still very influential and attend "every" board meeting. Think hard.
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Originally Posted by bshorey
Who would know? I haven't yet had a disagreement with anybody on the board!
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Could have fooled me, referencing your post about the non-sanctioning of meetings of groups/people within the convention. Yours certainly appeared to be contrary to the stated position. As I said in my original post, though, I was going out on a limb with my "assumption" of what your position appeared to be.
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Last edited by Pat Braden; 06-30-2007 at 04:53 PM.
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07-03-2007, 06:15 AM
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And back to the topic: yep, we'll be there Sat. and ride along on the Lake Huron tour. We're taking the Milano and the Sprint, but not sure which will go on the tour (depends on the weather: rain = Milano). I'm thinking Wed. will be spent cleaning up both cars for the show  , but it's a good excuse for staying away from the excitement of the board meeting.
So, we'll see you there.
Jim and Jude-Anne
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07-03-2007, 06:23 AM
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Convention attendance
I will be sponsoring one of the events at the National Convention. Additionally, I will have a booth at the vendors room. I yet to deside which harness to take to show at the convention. My options are a Giulia or Giulietta harness or a 105 series GTV harness. Any of you who will be there have a preference I would like to know. Please top by and say Hi
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07-03-2007, 06:31 AM
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Fly Tying Alfaholic
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Purcellville, VA and Georgia
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I will be there, arrive on August 2 in the morning. Will there with either my 76, 2000 GTV Euro or the 71, 2.1 liter Giulia Super.
Rob
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