1983 Sud Track Car Project - Page 6

8v16v · #76 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 01:21 AM

that cage is looking hot!!!

fly33boxer · #77 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 04:27 PM

cheers boys, yea i have decided to polish the begeeses out of it instead of painting it cause it does have the cams approval stickers on it and they look cool too.

fly33boxer · #78 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 05:46 PM

Polished and installed!! and just finished building the carbiers up mmmmmm shiny. dont think ill be getting much economy

Just incase you were wondering they ar 36IDF's which have been machined from 38 on the top to 40mm to accomadate the ram tubes and have been jetted with a combination to best suit what ill be running, sorry ill be keeping that to myself

87Sprint · #79 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 11:22 PM

your cars gonna be sweet! i suppose its a bit late now youve machined them but i bought some tubes designed for 36's ... car is sold and there sitting in a box now lol

markgq4 · #80 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 02:24 PM

Really nice car youre building there mate
( not jealous at all...

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PSk · #81 (**permalink**) 11-06-2007, 03:42 PM

What is the cage made out of? ... look alloy to me. Hope you don't intend to race in New Zealand cause it's illegal over there, and quite rightly. Alloy work hardens and was banned as a roll cage material in atleast NZ because of this ... and it simply does not hold up by the 5th roll over, etc.

This is why no professional race car has an alloy cage, ie. Aussie V8 supercars any Super tourer, etc. Sorry to be a damper, but want to make sure you are aware of what you have there.

Okay did a little investigation and if the car has an old log book you might be able to run with it ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-21207.html

Nothing to do with safety, CAMS cages need to comply with international standards for liability reasons, they can then transfer the liability back to the FIA if anything goes wrong!
There was nothing wrong with alloy cages, but they had to be banned when we went to international standards 5 years ago as they weren't accepted in Europe.
Graham

rain902 · #82 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 04:44 PM

and just to be a wet blanket, that cage is so illegal in australia that its not funny
not just because its alloy (i would dearly love it if my cage was alloy, the steel one weighs as much as my sud) the design of it is all out the window.

bends in the backstays
alloy seatbelt tube with bolt up clamps
mounting the harness to the rear floor is always problematic - its almost permissible to allow it to happen but the FIA really doesnt like it - what happens if you hit something really hard - the shoulder straps are trying to compress your spine downwards on itself, and that is never good...

weld a nice big fat strut tower brace in and use it as a harness mount?

grab the manual of motorsport and refer to schedule J - permissible designs of roll over protection?

evanbottcher · #83 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 05:04 PM

As long as you are only doing speed events (sprints, hillclimbs) then the cage doesn't have to comply - WITH one major proviso - it's at the discretion of the event stewards. The CAMS manual is quite specific on this - if the event is of a category that does not require a cage, then any cage fitted does not have to be compliant to the regulations, but must be given approval by the event stewards (not even the chief scrutineer).

In the past I've seen the majority of club cars at our sprints in Victoria running non-compliant cages without any problems - mostly because no-one ever questioned. Recently this has become an issue within our club for cars wanting to re-use older non-compliant cages and is still unresolved. In my opinion it's a long shot to suggest that a bolt in roll-cage in a saloon is going to cause LESS safety, however it's a judgement call and I think there are less people who are willing to take a risk in this age. Unfortunately what this will lead to is people who won't use a non-compliant cage and will run without any protection, as a compliant cage is more expensive to build.

Regarding alloy - doesn't matter if the cage has compliance stickers on it, or was previously logbooked in another car. It's only 'compliant' if it's still in the car that it was logbooked in, prior to the cut off date (2000). This doesn't matter at all if you're happy to run it non-compliant with blessing of your event stewards.

I wouldn't run an old alloy cage myself - sounds bad for the health...

fly33boxer · #84 (**permalink**) 11-11-2007, 03:38 PM

Well as i will just be sprinting it for a year or so till its up to spec i think ill be right, i will be putting a full steel one in but for the time being this IS better than nothing. And as for the harness being mounted to the floor pan, it is an original restraint point thus can be used for that purpose scrutineers have no issue with this as it is no issue.
Anyway holes in the roof are slowly decreasing

and dunno but i think it looks better without the front bar, but better to have something to scuff people with hehe and just mounted the cooler with thermo fan too

PSk · #85 (**permalink**) 11-11-2007, 05:25 PM

When I used to run my Sud (absolutely ages ago) the front windscreen pillars would crack as the chassis is not really strong enough. My car only had a hoop behind my head because in NZ a car under 2000 cc didn't have to have a full cage.

If I was ever to race a Sud again it would have a full cage as handling would improve via the increased chassis strength the cage would provide ... plus I got really sick of rewelding the windscreen pillars.

Best
Pete

fly33boxer · #86 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 05:37 PM

Well all going well, Koni yellows in the rear and front, new springs for the front all bushes in ready. And i just finished fitting the oil cooler and all the mounts, plus i had a spare relocation kit lying around and it looks cool too

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just waiting on the brake kline fittings and she will be a rolling shell...Then comes the engine and gearbox build....Thanking in advance ben

Gotta love that red line..

dave33 · #87 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 08:09 PM

The Sud is looking great. If you are doing much track work, do look at putting in a compliant, full cage, well tied into the car's body shell. I'd strongly recommend good side intrusion bars, and tying it into the front and rear strut towers if you can.
The extra rigidity of the cage transforms a car, taking out a lot of the soggy feel out of the handling.

The side intrusion bars have obvious benefits. Photos attached from a meeting at Pukekohe in NZ in January this year. If the driver hadn't had a good cage, he would have copped a serious injury... Probably because of the cage, the car didn't deform as much and is actually fixable. Now under repair.

Cheers & good luck with the project.

David F

BOXR33 · #88 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 12:31 AM

HAHA Nuts

Nice work mikey! I knew you would go bonkers on it. I cannot wait to see it in a couple of weeks.

This used to be my sisters car and its good to see being loved even more again.

Wonder if it can bet my new car????????

VegliaBorletti · #89 (**permalink**) 03-24-2008, 06:16 PM

Nice car!

Here is a clip of my Sud racer.. with a 16v engine.

YouTube - Klargjøring av Corsa Italiana biler!

BOXR33 · #90 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 04:18 AM

Bro you should put this in your car :-)

FS: Boxer 16V Engine