Alfa 33 1.7 16V Turbo

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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/617055/10

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That photo I found in internet, never met the guy really.

I have read one posting here to advised about to change for SUBARU engine.

Does anyone ever have the information to do that into 146?

As 146 is front wheel drive, yet SUBARU is 4x4, How to lock the rear drive? What will be the mounting will be.

Here in Malaysia, a lot of JAP car engine conversion, BMW with Nissan Skyline engine, or TOYOTA SUPRA and so on.

Of course, It does killed the feeling of driving the true BMW or else.

To maintain the BOXER 1.7 is a bit troublesome in MALAYSIA, the true expert to do the maintenance and upgrading here is very busy where it takes you several month to swap the engine due to the demand.

Where other mechanics is just a "clown" when it comes to the itallian engine.

So the option left is only to swap the engine into JAP engine.

The question is, is there anybody in this world have changed the boxer into SR20 or SUBARU? Does anoyne have the info, photo or whatsoever? please notified me.

[Spooty22]

Hi Tiang,

That's some impressive work on your car there, that turbo manifold is a work of art! How much did it cost you?

I've heard of people putting the subaru motor in the boxer alfa's, so it can be done. Don't have any information more specific than that, unfortunately.

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Hi Spooty,

As i Just mentioned, I get the photo through one link, Cardomain. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/617055/10

I still try to locate the owner just wanted to see the real thing. I know that only 2 guys did this turbo on the boxer.

You may browse to the link to read more.

Anyway, the subaru in alfa is interesting. Reliablity of 5 bearings and so on. But the true feelings of Alfa will be not there.

I know it could be done, but still want to have some info about it. I ever read and watched the video of VW Bug with ALFA engine, VW Bug with rotary. VW bug with Toyota engine. The rotation of rear engine and front engine is reverse if i am not mistaken, yet that guy could manage to put ALFA boxer front engine into VW rear engine bay.

Really hopes that anyone with the information about subaru in ALFA or any JAP engine in ALFA could share with us.

[budweiser_sud]

Rotation can be reversed by changing the orientation of the differential. Not always possible in most gearboxes, but I'm pretty sure this could be done on the 'sud/33 transaxle, however a new bottom plate would need to be manufactured.

"Reliability of 5 bearings" is rubbish if the engine is maintained with regular oil changes with a quality oil. Replacing an Alfa boxer engine with a WRX motor is a waste of money - you might as well buy a WRX. The 33's boxer is what gives the car its unique character to begin with. A 33 16v only needs a moderate increase in power from standard, spend the rest on handling, wheels, brakes etc and you will out perform a lot of modern cars - just ask Flyboxer!

~Benjamin

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Hi Bud..Sud

Well, are you from Malaysia or other country?

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Hooh, at last supercharger is installed. Now just waiting for managable ecu. Pictures and dyno results comming soon

[fly33boxer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by budweiser_sud Rotation can be reversed by changing the orientation of the differential. Not always possible in most gearboxes, but I'm pretty sure this could be done on the 'sud/33 transaxle, however a new bottom plate would need to be manufactured. "Reliability of 5 bearings" is rubbish if the engine is maintained with regular oil changes with a quality oil. Replacing an Alfa boxer engine with a WRX motor is a waste of money - you might as well buy a WRX. The 33's boxer is what gives the car its unique character to begin with. A 33 16v only needs a moderate increase in power from standard, spend the rest on handling, wheels, brakes etc and you will out perform a lot of modern cars - just ask Flyboxer! ~Benjamin

[London_Alfa]

A 16v turbo would be good. A non-cat 16v 33 puts out 138 bhp in standard format. It wouldn't take much boost to turn what is a fast car (0-60 in just over 8 secs), in to a very fast car.

Using moderate boost could be practicable at a reasonable cost. This is a rough guess here but I would have thought you could get away with a very well rebuilt stock 16v engine (new valve guides, conrod bolts, flywheel bolts etc), having machined the pistons slightly to lower the compression and be good for 10-12 psi.

10-12 psi would give you between 180-200 bhp with a good level of torque. The torque and accelaration from an engine like this in a 33 would feel like you've just dumped a 24 valve V6 from a 164 under the bonnet/hood (we say mum you guys say mom).

The 16v 33 only weighs 1000kg. Just imagine this setup in a series 1 sud which weighs 810kg.

[BigSud]

My Series 1 Sud Ti, which has a 16v motor, weighs 938Kg with half a tank of gas.

It does have a roll cage, but that's about the only substantial weight addition. It has no bumpers, and very much lighter headlights and indicators etc. It has much lighter than standard wheels. It has no heater or associated plumbing.

They must have weighed the original Sud Ti protoype before they finished it...

Chris

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Were you in the car BigSud?

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Good call - but I would have noticed....

Nope, nothing in the car.

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That's crazy! I would have thought an alfasud would have got lighter with time :P

Seriously though, it's hard to believe that the figures would be that far off. Or that a rollcage could weigh that much!

Either way 900kg is still light..

[BigSud]

I've often wondered that. It may be that it's just a dry weight, with no spare or tools.

If you take the 938Kg that my car weighed and subtract 50Kg for the cage, 20Kg for the difference between a 16v motor and a 1200 (my 16v has light bits on it...), 20Kg for the half tank of gas, 5Kg for engine oil, 4Kg for gearbox oil, 1 Kg for brake fluid, and 7 Kg for coolant, you get 831 Kg. Take off (say) 12Kg for the spare wheel etc, and another 1 Kg for the tools and the answer is 818Kg.

For a car that won't go anywhere.

Interesting, innit?