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Bigger Brakes.....
Just a pic of a setup I'm makeing....Alfa 164 Discs, VL Turbo calipers....neat....the only problem is the stud pattern (nothing a mill can't fix)
I've seen it done with Magna calipers....still......
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05-31-2005, 04:48 PM
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I've seen it done with Magna calipers....still......
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That company deserves to fail but I do feel sorry for the employees  .
Pete
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Just a pic of a setup I'm makeing....Alfa 164 Discs, VL Turbo calipers....neat....the only problem is the stud pattern (nothing a mill can't fix)
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I assume you are fitting the 164 disc on the Sud/33 stub axle?
If so just drill the 164 disc to suit the Sud/33 stud pattern. If I remember rightly the Sud/33's use wheel bolts not nuts and thus there must be something else (?) holding the disc. Again the disc will need to be drilled. Is the internal bore the same size ... ie. what will locate the disc (I guess the studs could but only if there is a non-threaded part to locate on).
I put Isuzu disks on a Ford Escort (MkI or MkII) rear axle many years ago, and I just turned the disc 45 degrees and drilled 4 new holes to suit the Ford stud pattern ... the original stud holes became lightening holes
Anyway looking good and quite sexy looking caliper
Pete
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06-02-2005, 03:07 AM
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***WARNING****
If you are a true Alfisti and belive useing non Alfa (or non italian pats) in your Alfa Romeo is a crime that should be punished by death, then close this window now!!!!!
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Why is the stud pattern a problem?
I assume you are fitting the 164 disc on the Sud/33 stub axle?
If so just drill the 164 disc to suit the Sud/33 stud pattern. If I remember rightly the Sud/33's use wheel bolts not nuts and thus there must be something else (?) holding the disc. Again the disc will need to be drilled. Is the internal bore the same size ... ie. what will locate the disc (I guess the studs could but only if there is a non-threaded part to locate on).
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There is normally a small M6 bolt that holds the caliper on when you take the wheel off, Oh and the caliper/pads hold it on too......
The main problem is the Alfa 164 uses 5 wheel bolts, while the Alfa 33 uses 4.....in english there is not enough "meat" the to cut out 4 clean holes.....I'm planning to change the stud pattern anyway still....
I'm looking at makeing it either 100PCD (toyota) or useing 98PCD 5 Stud, I really need to use 15inch wheels with this conversion! 4 Stud 98PCD 15 inch wheels (that appeal to "her") are expensive/very hard to come by.....
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and YOUR saying that about a Holden/GM caliper?!?!?!?! lol Still it works out quite well, I can buy the same type of brake pads for my VL as I do for her 33 
I've got to look a master cylinders next, the VL turbo runs a 1" master cylinder......hrm
Next is rear disks tho, with a mechanical handbrake, Ford festiva items look quite good.....
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06-02-2005, 05:14 PM
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and YOUR saying that about a Holden/GM caliper?!?!?!?! lol Still it works out quite well, I can buy the same type of brake pads for my VL as I do for her 33 |
 ... but heck it is not actually ugly to the eye (from the picture you showed us ... maybe the other side is scary ).
In the end how it works is what matters!!
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Just a thought... The european twinspark powered 164's use a 4-stud hub. Maybe you could fit up a set of those and not have to worry about changing the stud pattern?
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06-03-2005, 02:28 AM
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I suppose.....
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Just a thought... The european twinspark powered 164's use a 4-stud hub. Maybe you could fit up a set of those and not have to worry about changing the stud pattern?
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Yes it is a good idea if your keeping the standard 4-stud 98PCD, but I'm not.....
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Yeah I get you point ... but heck it is not actually ugly to the eye (from the picture you showed us ... maybe the other side is scary ).
In the end how it works is what matters!!
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The other side
What they said about the brakes in 1986:
"They're what Commodore drivers for years have been waiting years for."
Enough said If they have no trouble pulling up a 1256Kg VL Turbo then a 910Kg Serries 2 Alfa 33 is going to be easy
Thankyou very much to the bloke at Alfa's in Clover for inspiration (He had VL turbo front brakes with Mitsubitishi Disks)! Prehaps I'll pay him back one day (in inspiration) when I get the (street version) of supercharger up and running on the 33....
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All Mitsubishi components should be left in the rubbish dump where they belong ... IMO
That company deserves to fail but I do feel sorry for the employees .
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Well I live in Adelaide, and I've heard some rumors about how they are going to hit the wall soon. Mostly major problems about new products and their issues with Mitsubishi's management in Japan....very sad....
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im not sure of the disc size of a 164 but what other advantages are there to this conversion? it seems you are still stuck with a single piston floating caliper which cant be a whole lot better than the units off a 33qv which are also vented. perhaps just getting a set of alloys of a toyota/honda re pitched would be cheaper and open up a lot more options without having to get all this work done to the braking system, unless of course they are a better unit than the qv?
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06-05-2005, 03:20 AM
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Well the VL Turbo caliper is quite a bit lighter than the standard vented disk Alfa 33 Caliper, and the disk is around 50mm larger.
The other advantage is that they bolt rite onto the the Alfa33 hub with no mods. And they are also very cheap. Nissan R32 GTR 4 Spots are going for stupid money atm.....that sorta kills the idea of a budget brake upgrade.....
I looked at Volvo 4 spots (which also bolt up), but they are very very very heavy. Not good...
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It's interesting to read this post.
If you wanted I am sure you could have DBA make you some disc's, they would most likley come not drilled, you could do this yourself.
As fore the master cylinder, have a look at a 1980 Mercedes. It is an ATE, same as the alfa, should bolt straight on.
The front of the cylinder is 19mm and the back 25mm. Should be problem solved.
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Talking about bigger brakes, does any one have any advice about brake upgrades for a 1985 33, I was looking at the Tarox brake kits, but having trouble finding them in Austalia and seem a bit expensive to import, are there any suppliers in Aust? or what are some alternatives? Also are there any differences in between serries 1,2 and 3 (stud mounts etc)
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aren't the standard wheels on a 164 15's anyway?
assuming the caliper you've showed us is the front caliper, wouldn't it be easier to keep the 5x98 pattern and change the back to 5x98 as well?
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my 2c worth...
i suggested to my alfisti mechanic the magna/vl turbo calipers and he said 'yes, but they are only single pot calipers, why bother?"
okay.
back to the drawing board...
as for redrilling PCD, im intending on having my 4x98pcd redrilled to 4x100, it will allow me to fit more rims (toyota, mazda etc) - given that i have 3 sets of mx5 wheels at home (err two of em live on the mx5s) it means that i can chop and change rims easily.
One thing we have to watch out for is the hub centre diameter - our rims are located on the hub, and if we use the lug bolts to locate them then all will not be completely circular. just coz the pcd can be redrilled easily doesnt mean that the hub will support them.
btw anyone wanting a set of simmons b45 15" to suit sud or 33, pm me - mine are on the market
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*also*
dba were unable to supply 33 16v ventilated rotors, even tho they have a part number for them. it was cheaper and quicker to get a set of genuine brembo vented rotors.
dba prices were $170 a pair for vented rotors, but if i wanted them slotted (dba has a part # for slotted as well)it was $200 each! thieves.
stuff that, get the plain ones and send em to a reputable engineering place and get them slotte, thats what I did.
while we are on about parts, a small group of us became sick of using bolts and organised a set of studs to fit our hubs - all nicely measured and of superior quality. hooray! no more balancing wheels on our feet while trying to locate a hole and bolt up.
found out the price yesterda - $15 per stud. $60 per hub - $240 per car...
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