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Old 04-04-2007, 04:18 AM
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When I was in my teens and (very) early twenties I was into VWs. I had a 1600 Beetle, it was fun. So like all VW enthusiasts I thought the KG coupe was a nice car, then I drove one. They're just unremarkable.

The Beetle is a fun car to drive because its utalitarian in design, but it delivers a lot more. Its almost in the vein of an Italian design in some ways because they have an inherantly sporting feel, short throw gear change and quite good chasis dynamics - particularly on later disc-brake front 12 volt cars. But that's just it, its an early, early incarnation of a hatchback. The KG has sports car looks, but its stuck right onto a type 1 Beetle platform and it simply cannot deliver what another four cylinder coupes could in its time, and it still cant.

Yeah, in some colours its quite elegant and they look good when driven by young women with nicce hair styles and spectacles. The perplexing thing is that so many people regard them with such affection and desire. Beats me, I can only say that because a. Its a Volkwagen and b. its a distinct design that the maker never repeated, it must have left a mark on people in general.

And that's just it isn't it? The Karmann Ghia was unique in its stable, the Porsche 911 similarly so. Design so successful that it was only ever modified, never changed. To the lay-person an Alfa 105 Coupe or Sedan could just as well be a Fiat, or a BMW 2002, a Datsun 1600 or an Isuzu Bellet.

It is a drop-dead gorgeous machine, the 105. Deliscious in detail without unessesary adornment and a credit to its designer. But it isn't that unique that it stands out amonst it contemporaries.

But its time is coming.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:34 AM
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When I was in my teens and (very) early twenties I was into VWs. I had a 1600 Beetle, it was fun. So like all VW enthusiasts I thought the KG coupe was a nice car, then I drove one. They're just unremarkable.



Yeah, in some colours its quite elegant and they look good when driven by young women with nicce hair styles and spectacles. The perplexing thing is that so many people regard them with such affection and desire. Beats me, I can only say that because a. Its a Volkwagen and b. its a distinct design that the maker never repeated, it must have left a mark on people in general.


It is a drop-dead gorgeous machine, the 105. Deliscious in detail without unessesary adornment and a credit to its designer. But it isn't that unique that it stands out amonst it contemporaries.

But its time is coming.
Actually the did radically modify the KG and came out with a more modern body shape, but it was ugly and unloved, it has never been regarded in the same light as the original. I used to love them, but then I drove one and I was cured. They all seem to be found on either Crown Street in Sydney, Chapel street in melbourne or Brunswick Street in Brisbane, because they are too slow and have such poor handling they would never survive a run through the mountains behind the Gold Coast !!!

In comparison from a very early age the Bertone has always excited me, I remember as a teenager getting very excited every time I saw one on the road or parked, that was in the mid to late 80's and wanting one right then and there. The one thing that always sticks with me is the smell of the Alfatec upholstery, I remember that smell from my early child hood. And even today even though I have two of them parked in my garage I still get excited when I see one on the rd, especially when I am driving a non alfa, I get jealous that I am not in mine. Actually I saw a Dark Green 2000 on the ICB today and got that feeling (and the 2000 is asthetically my least favourite 105!!) . Yeah I am an ALFAaddict
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:42 AM
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I don't have one but I think the sleeper in prices in the future are good original gtv 6's, I have an Alfa 90 and love the sound of that engine. I also have a 3.0 75 which I love but I don't think the styling will help it appreciate in the future. My 105 is a long term project which once finished might need to be converted to natural gas after all we are at peek oil reserves and the Chinese and Indians have discovered cars(Less fuel for the rest of us).... Jason
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:46 AM
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I'll moth ball my 1750 or mount it and put it in my lounge room before I ever put it on gas.
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I'll moth ball my 1750 or mount it and put it in my lounge room before I ever put it on gas.
Yeah agreed, it would have to get like MadMax2 before i thought about taking her off the rd. Say no to Gas
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There is talk of later converting coal to petrol? My father says it won't happen in his lifetime but are we running out? Jason
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:02 AM
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I dont want to further hijack this thread, but apparently we have used something like 50% of the world's oil reserves.

I think its a giant pain in the arse that our passion is using a non-renewable resourse, but I try and do my bit by cycling to work everyday and using the car for enjoyment rather than neccessity.

If I were into large-capacity cars then I might consider a fuel conversion, but until there are some better substitutes than wont degrade the car's performance, it stays on the good stuff.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:18 AM
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Regarding increasing 105 values...

This is of course, a real double edged sword. We want the values to rise, so our cars become more valuable, and as an 'investment' are more attractive...

However.. what about when it comes to buying another, which, surely we may all be wanting to do at some point.. Then will the prices be unrealistic for a true Alfisti?

Consider me, at 18 going on 19 could actually afford a half reasonable 2000 GTV at 9K 18 months ago.... That is bloody good value... Id hate to think that opportunity would disappear and that the half reasonable cars get to an unreasonable price point.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:24 AM
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I dont want them to be unnatainable either but geez, a Bertone coupe in the same condition as an MGB should cost more. Give me three reasons why that doesn't make sense.
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Old 04-04-2007, 06:34 AM
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When I was in my teens and (very) early twenties I was into VWs.
I was into VWs for more years than I am prepared to say. My daily driver was a 1956 Beetle which I modified with a 1600 engine and gearbox, disk brakes, mags and suspension mods. My hobby car was another 1956 Beetle which my brother and I modified over the years and raced in off street drags. It finished up with a 2100cc engine with dry sump, twin 44 IDF Webers and other goodies, a close ratio trans and produced close to 200BHP. It surprised more than a few people. It was fun, but cars modified to that level tend not to be over reliable and I tired of it eventually. My youngest brother now has it and is rebuilding it to be better than ever. I feel that Alfas are in a way a natural progression because like Beetles they are different and become an extension of you like few other cars do. In other words both are drivers cars. Alfas however handle ten times better, are high performance out of the box and can be thrashed without doing them much damage. I don't know whether I will get into modifying any of my Alfa engines at this stage but if I did it would be the GTV.
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Old 04-04-2007, 06:27 PM
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<img src="http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/dealer/theclathr/c99_6_m.jpg">
<font color=red>$23,000</font>
<font color=blue>176375ks</font>

?? just because its a 'grand prix' model ??
*nice wheels

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Old 04-04-2007, 06:41 PM
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<img src="http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/dealer/theclathr/c99_6_m.jpg">
<font color=red>$23,000</font>
<font color=blue>176375ks</font>

?? just because its a 'grand prix' model ??
*nice wheels

http://drive.com.au/used-cars/ALFA+R...&pp=9&d=0&nv=1
No bias here ( ) but how much would a 105 be worth if in equivalent condition and which is the 'better' car?

I think GTV 6's are undervalued - which is good if you are buying. This however would have to be the top of the heap.

Those wheels are nice.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:33 PM
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Yeah but 180000kms? I wouldnt wanna pay 23K for it and then have to pay 5-10K for a rebuild soon..

Ben.. it doesnt at all make sense I agree, but perhaps its best to leave the ignorant in their bliss?
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:41 AM
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Red with a green interior... and look at THAT centre console.... makes me shiver. he wants 16K! Carsales..

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Actually, Alfa TC's run very well on LPG. A LOT of Italian cars ran on LPG well before it became popular in Australia.
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