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Welcome to the BB, Dave!
It's good to see you on the Board, and as always, you have so much to contribute. The Detroit Convention was absolutely great, and we are all looking forward to Chicago... 
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I didn't realize that a constructive discussion regarding convention planning would become so deeply embroiled in semantic issues. I would like to see us maintain an "inclusive" rather than "exclusive" discussion.
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AROC Convention Planner's Thread
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Originally Posted by Alex Csank
I didn't realize that a constructive discussion regarding convention planning would become so deeply embroiled in semantic issues. I would like to see us maintain an "inclusive" rather than "exclusive" discussion.
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Well, Alex, it appears as moderator of this thread, you have ensnared three of us, a past convention chair, a past convention chair/current board member, and a nobody (you'll have to find the thread that that designation sprung from in a misquote of Desartes by someone else) for language such as: "official," "secret," and "locked down." Did I miss any?
Semantics aside, it is important that we clearly understand what is being said by the other as it pertains to planning or we end up with something like "awesome" or "bad" or some other flip flop of the language which could find us with a convention in Roswell, New Mexico with the Disco Volante, planned by a committee that couldn't understand each other because of all the babbling. Don't you agree?
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Originally Posted by Pat Braden
Well, Alex, it appears as moderator of this thread, you have ensnared three of us, a past convention chair, a past convention chair/current board member, and a nobody (you'll have to find the thread that that designation sprung from in a misquote of Desartes by someone else) for language such as: "official," "secret," and "locked down." Did I miss any?
Semantics aside, it is important that we clearly understand what is being said by the other as it pertains to planning or we end up with something like "awesome" or "bad" or some other flip flop of the language which could find us with a convention in Roswell, New Mexico with the Disco Volante, planned by a committee that couldn't understand each other because of all the babbling. Don't you agree?
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Cheryl,
1. I am not the moderator. I am the guy who started the thread, that's it.
2. I have not "ensnared" anyone and your accusation is inappropriate. All I did was request useful convention input. "Ensnaring" isn't my department.
3. I don't want to go looking at other threads. This thread is important and should remain a place to discuss convention planning and kept free of other issues. On another note: You are not a 'nobody'.
4. I don't really care that much about the semantics. We all pretty much understand each other and although using the word 'secret' may have been a poor choice of words, dollar amounts should not be left out in the public domain. However, that info should be made available to all convention planners.
5. I don't think anyone here is "babbling". So, no...I don't agree.
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10-29-2007, 09:32 AM
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AROC Convention Planner's Thread
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Originally Posted by Alex Csank
Cheryl,
1. I am not the moderator. I am the guy who started the thread, that's it.
2. I have not "ensnared" anyone and your accusation is inappropriate. All I did was request useful convention input. "Ensnaring" isn't my department.
3. I don't want to go looking at other threads. This thread is important and should remain a place to discuss convention planning and kept free of other issues. On another note: You are not a 'nobody'.
4. I don't really care that much about the semantics. We all pretty much understand each other and although using the word 'secret' may have been a poor choice of words, dollar amounts should not be left out in the public domain. However, that info should be made available to all convention planners.
5. I don't think anyone here is "babbling". So, no...I don't agree.
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Alex,
So as not to argue over semantics, I don't think my language was any stronger than that used in your post. The "moderator" was italicized so that it would be picked up as sarcasm; the "ensnared" was also a joke which went along with your "embroiled" and was in no way meant to be accusational.
I agree that this thread is important and the integrity of it should be maintained; however, the point in the last paragraph also somewhat sarcastic about Roswell, New Mexico, was that if people do not speak the same language and understand where each is coming from you end up with something that is not functional, was designed by a non-listening committee, and does not work. It was not meant to insinuate that we are "babbling" on this thread.
As for making public convention related financials, you and I will have to agree to disagree on that one. What bothers me most is Gordy's statement which alludes to the "selective" reporting of such to the Board by each convention chair or committee. That is how AROC got in trouble previously with the IRS. So the financials are or should be a part of the convention planning discussion, albiet, probably not in detail at the planning stage.
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Convention suggestions
I, for one, will be restricting future comments to the above subject. Any bbers who are interested in reading about lessons learned from Alfa Potlatch 2005 are welcome to contact me and I will share what I can remember.
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California please!
Please some CA based events. Lets welcome Alfa Romeo back with the most amount of Alfa's in the US!
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[QUOTE=RossoGTV4Me;441536]Please some CA based events. Lets welcome Alfa Romeo back with the most amount of Alfa's in the US |
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FWIW, there was a convention in SoCal in 2002 (1982 prior to that). Phoenix was in 96 and Santa Fe in 98.
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Originally Posted by papajam
FWIW, there was a convention in SoCal in 2002 (1982 prior to that). Phoenix was in 96 and Santa Fe in 98.
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Yes, if you have a look at the convention planning guide (there's a link to it from the AROC USA website), it shows all the convention locations from the very first until 2005. Adding the 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 locations, the breakdown of locations since 1997 shows:
The West Coast has/ will have:
2009 - Portland OR
2005 - Seattle
2000 - Portland, OR
2002 - So Cal.
The East Coast:
2004 - Manchester, NH
2003 - Ft Lauderdale
The SouthWest:
2006 - Tulsa
1998 - Santa Fe
The South:
2001 - Nashville
The Heartland:
1999 - Kansas City
The MidWest/ NorthCentral:
2008 - Chicago
2007 - Detroit
1997 - Columbus OH
In light of this, it would appear that the West Coast and MidWest have had more coventions than other areas recently. While this may make sense based upon the number of Alfisti and Alfas in the various areas (I don't actually have those stats, so I am just guessing), I think that the East probably should have another couple in the near future.
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10-29-2007, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pat Braden
I understand the premise of rotating the convention to the different regions of the country; however, couldn't a case be made based on Alfa's centennial that another "exception" should be made or we could simply follow the established pattern of late: two in the midwest, two on the west coast, which would mean the next two would be in the east, and then resume the 1 a year in each region pattern. The "big" catch would be to get two clubs in the east or south to bid in 2011 and 2012.
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The problem is getting chapters to bid on the convention. The last few have been single, unopposed bids, IIRC. I'm going to hazard a guess that whomever shows up next year and bids for 2010 will get it, unless there is more than one.
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Originally Posted by bshorey
The problem is getting chapters to bid on the convention. The last few have been single, unopposed bids, IIRC. I'm going to hazard a guess that whomever shows up next year and bids for 2010 will get it, unless there is more than one.
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Only ONCE while during my 6 years on the BOD was there more than one bid for a convention- that was in 2006, when Chicago and Portland bid for 2008- and it was a very hard decision. One had a super strong bid, but just hosted a convention a few years ago; while the other hadn't hosted a convention in quite a few years, and was the original national chapter wanting to host the 50th anniversary.
Really, there was a LOT of talk about it during the meeting, and it was very hard. Thankfully, Portland came back for the 2009 convention bid AND Chicago did a lot of work in a month to tighten up their bid.
It's impossible to rotate the convention if chapters are not willing to host the event. Again, all of the power here lies with the chapters- if they do nothing, then the BOD has little choices.
BTW, brian- sorry, I do need to get that done, and will send a few notes out to do a few sorting while on a b-trip to Colorado.
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Originally Posted by turbolarespider
Only ONCE while during my 6 years on the BOD was there more than one bid for a convention...
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Eric,
Both you and Brian make excellent points. Hosting a convention requires a lot of work and a very devoted group of volunteers. Not every Chapter has the energy, membership or a convenient convention location, and not everyone wishes to take on the very significant responsibility.
Luckily, we haven't missed having a convention yet. Each consecutive year since the club's inception in 1959, a national convention has taken place. I sure hope there will be a few bids for 2010.
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11-02-2007, 07:18 PM
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Old Geezer memory
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Originally Posted by turbolarespider
Only ONCE while during my 6 years on the BOD was there more than one bid for a convention- that was in 2006, when Chicago and Portland bid for 2008- and it was a very hard decision. One had a super strong bid, but just hosted a convention a few years ago; while the other hadn't hosted a convention in quite a few years, and was the original national chapter wanting to host the 50th anniversary.
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I missed most of the 2007 BoD meeting due to working on the convention, but have attended (sometimes as a director) all but five meetings since Danvers, MA in 1980. Over the years there have meetings with no convention bids, such as when Detroit was asked to step in on an emergency basis (for the 1990 convention) as was Long Island (1986). Seattle and Baltimore both went after the 1993 convention bid harder than any other two chapters of the past 30 years. When Seattle lost, they went into a ten year funk, refusing to bid again until they hosted the 2005 meet. Chicago, Nashville and Cinci bid for the 2001 convention (it went to Nashville).
The 1985 AROC meet is listed as being in Wisconsin, but for all practical purposes it was really run by the Chicago chapter and created some controversy.
Prices went up during the 1990s, especially at Baltimore (and they lost money) as chapters began seeing the national convention as a way of making money. That attitude was allowed to continue relatively unchecked for a while because convention bids had been sparse for a few years and the cash was viewed by some as an inducement. That attitude changed after some statements turned into national for profit splits included a private post-convention party and vague expenditures for the purpose of showing little or no profit.
So, yes, a handful of we old folks remember that there have been years when there were no bids, and a couple of years of three bids. We also recall why a lot of those things happened. The active members with AROC-national memories reaching back to the late-1970s are: Bill Gillham, the Gellers, the Edinburgs, and the Hammonds. George Pezold began his post (replacing George Whitcomb) around 1983. Delmas Greene came on board slightly after that.
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