new Alfa 159

[johnei]

Thought this was funny - even if it is not true...

[sakiss]

Official

alfa romeo 159 1.9 jdtm 120cv: velox max 191 km/h 0-100 km/h 11sec

alfa 159 1.9 16v 150cv velox max 210km/h 0-100 km/h 9,4 sec

alfa 159 2.4 jtdm 200cv velox max 228 km/h 0-100 km/h 8,4 sec

alfa 159 1.9 jts 160cv velox max 212 km/h 0-100km/h 9,7 sec

alfa 159 2.2 jts 185cv velox max 222 km/h 0-100 8,8 sec

159 3.2 jts v6 260 cv q4 velox max 240km/h 0-100 7 sec

[sakiss]

Torque master


The average front wheel drive road car with between 100 and 200 bhp loses about 15% of the engine bhp as transmission losses.
The average rear wheel drive road car with between 100 and 200 bhp loses about 17% of the engine bhp as transmission losses.
The 2% increase in losses over front wheel drive is because the differential has to turn the drive through 90 degrees at the back axle which soaks up a bit more of the engine's power.
4wd cars will have higher losses because of the extra differentials and other power transmission components. The tyre and main gearbox losses will be the same though. Correlating the performance of vehicles with the both 4wd and 2wd options (Audi's as examples) shows 4wd transmission losses to be about 5% higher than rwd. 22% seems to be a good average.
What each individual car loses is an unknown - it will depend on tyre sizes and pressure, suspension angles and other things, but it shouldn't be far from the figures above. For sure though, no 2wd car in the world, unless it has flat tyres and a gearbox full of sand, loses anything like 30% of the engine's power in the transmission and tyres as many rolling road operators would try to have you believe. In general though it is fair to say that low powered cars have higher % losses than high powered cars. This is because some of the frictional losses are independent of engine power and so represent a bigger drain on a small engine.

There is however a final way of estimating what transmission losses really are based on the most accurate dyno in the world - the car itself. Physics tells us that it takes a certain amount of energy to push a given shape through the air at a given speed. The maths behind this is not open to debate.

You have to calculate. You have to know frontal area (track x height), CW/Cd value to calcualte the air resistance power and rolling resistance power. I can say that the BMW needs about 155/160
bhp just to overcome the airresistance. Plus minimal 15 bhp for rolling resistance. A minimal power required to be able to reach
its topspeed.

I believe a BMW 330D has a topspeed of about 230 km/h+/240.
The conclusion here is pretty obvious.
If transmission losses were as high as 30% then there just wouldn't be enough power left at the wheels to achieve the top speeds that the car actually show. You need about 30% extra power to achieve
10% higher topspeed. It takes a lot of power to increase the top speed. The BMW does deliver the goods.

4WD gives a much higher traction off the line but weight is a serious penaly for acceleration not drive train losses

[sakiss]

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[sakiss]

http://www.alimotor.com/news_d.asp?id=62

[sakiss]

1.9JTS 160cv/6400 190nm/4500(167nm/2000)
2.2JTS 185cv/6400 230nm/4500(202nm/2000)
3.2JTS 260cv/6200 322nm/4500(283nm/2000)

1.9JTDm 120cv/4000 280nm/2000
1.9JTDm 150cv/4000 320nm/2000
2.4JTDm 200cv/4000 400nm/2000

Μελλοντικα μοτερ

2.8JTS 230cv/6200 282nm/4500(248nm/2000)
3.0JTDm 250cv/4000 550nm/2000
2.2JTS Turbo 260cv/6000 400nm/2000
3.2JTS T.Turbo 405cv/6000 680nm/2000

Πιο συγκεκριμενα ο 2.2 χαρη στο διπλο μετασχηματιστη φασης TwinPhaser προσφερει το 88% της ροπης 202nm απο τις 2000rpm αυξανωντας το φασμα.

[sakiss]

Spanish journalists tested 159 with manual and selespeed an measured for 3.2 0-100 in 6.5!!!!!!!!!Also they measured more torque....36nm compared to 32nm that alfa gives.

Also they said that 159 4wd with sport kit is as fun as a rwd maserati and the build quality is better than bmw-merc!

[wesley55]

I was reading in the grocery check out line about the Alfa 159 in Road and Track magazine. It was announced Alfa will return to the US in 2008.

Hmmmmm, wasn't that 2005? no 2006, no 2007, no 2008!!!????????

[johnei]

The monthly car magazines are fairly well behind (and consequently I think usually just speculating). I just recently saw an article in Car magazine about what a wonderful job Martin Leach is doing at Maserati - I thought it was good now that he's been fired. Anyways - I have no idea if it will be 2007 or 2006 or never but the magazines generally don't seem to be any better at this kind of speculation than we do. I doubt R&T has any insiders/decision makers at any of the major manufacturers - let alone Alfa Romeo.

[sakiss]

Connection between jts and old alfa engines!

The return of the chain and the all alluminium engine.

[sakiss]

M6/S6=manual,selespeed 6g.
AS6=Automatic 6g.

3.2JTS Q4 M6/S6 6"2 250
3.2JTS Q4 AS6 7"0 240
2.4JTDm M6 7"5 235km/h
2.4JTDm AS6 8"4 228km/h
2.2JTS M6/S6 7"7 230km/h
1.9JTS M6/S6 9"0 220km/h
1.9JTDm M6 9"4 220km/h
1.9JTDm M6 11"0 200km/h

159 3.2 vs Bmw 330 vs A4 3.2 vs Merc C350

AR 159 2.4JTDm M6 7"5 235km/h 200 CV
Audi A4 2.5 TDI M6 8"8 227km/h 160 CV
Audi A4 3.0 TDI quattro M6 7"2 235km/h 204 CV
MB C 270 CDI M6 8"9 230km/h 170 CV

AR 159 1.9JTDm M6 9"4 220km/h 150 CV
BMW 320d M6 8"3 225km/h 163 CV
Audi A4 2.0 TDI M6 9"7 212km/h 140 CV
MB C 220 CDI M6 10"1 224km/h 150 CV

AR 159 1.9JTDm M6 11"0 200km/h 120 CV
MB C 200 CDI M6 11"7 208km/h 122 CV

AR 159 1.9JTS M6/S6 9"0 220km/h 160 CV
BMW 320i M6 9"0 220km/h 150 CV...(9.okto)
Audi A4 1.8 TFSI M6 8"6 225km/h 163 CV
MB C 200 K M6 9"1 234km/h 163 CV

Unti the new 2.8Jts-230hp will arrive we put in the comparison 2.2
R 159 2.2JTS M6/S6 7"7 230km/h 185 CV
BMW 325i M6 7"5 245km/h 218 CV
Audi A4 2.0 TFSI M6 7"3 241km/h 200 CV
MB C 230 K M6 8"1 240km/h 192 CV

[sakiss]

Future engines

2,8 v6 JTS 230 bhp 159-brera
2,2 JTS Turbo 260 bhp 159-brera
3,6 V6 JTS 300 bhp brera
Also 4.3(maserati) V8 425cv Q4 brera

also three new diesels(intoduced 2005 and is constructed by vm motori for fiat auto spa...uses multijet system of Μagneti Marelli)
3.0 V6 JTD 250 bhp 2006
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1,9 JTD twin turbo 200 bhp 2007 replace 2.4
3.0 V6 JTD Twin turbo 300 bhp 2007


Alfa Romeo 3.0V6JTD M-JET
250hp/4000rpm
550nm/1800rpm
Euro4

BMW 3.0D L6 CRII
218hp/4000rpm
500nm/2000rpm
Euro3

Audi 3.0V6TDI CRII
225hp/4000rpm
450nm/1400-3250rpm
Euro4

[sakiss]

The Alfa Romeo 159 will be at dealerships throughout Europe within 3 months, ready to take on German D-segment rivals such as the BMW 3 Series and Audi A4

The year 1997 will remain forever engraved in the long and fascinating history of Alfa Romeo. It was in this year when Alfa Romeo launched their Alfa 156, a highly acclaimed sporting luxury saloon which literally rewrote the standards of D-segment European cars overnight. The Alfa 156 offered an innovative and charismatic design, revolutionary technology (the first diesel to be marketed with Common Rail technology) and a new generation of gearboxes including the Ferrari Formula 1 derived Selespeed system. Within its eight year production span, the Alfa 156 won many awards, including the coveted Car of The Year in 1997, not to mention winning over the hearts of thousands of satisfied customers world-wide, many of whom were first-time clientele for Alfa Romeo. The Alfa 156’s replacement, the recently unveiled Alfa 159, has therefore been planted with a weighty sum of expectations to live up to.
Penned by Giorgetto Giugiaro, the Alfa Romeo 159 inaugurates the new style of Alfa Romeo, first seen on the Italdesign Giugiaro Brera concept car in 2002. It embodies fluid lines with elegant, muscular flanks and a prominent grille to ensure the continuity of sporting elegance specific to the many famous models produced by the Milanese marque.
With generous dimensions (4.600 mm long, 1.828 mm wide and 1.417 mm high) and exceptional build quality to meet the most demanding standards, the Alfa 159 is poised to attack the sales of its direct German rivals: namely the BMW 3 Series and the Audi A4.
The Alfa 159's interior is predominantly focused towards the driver. The driving position is perfect, the controls have a quality touch and all instrumentation is angled towards the driver’s line of view. On top of this, the choice of interior materials is set to an exceptionally high standard, and the design has no fewer than 12 storage areas. Leg space has been improved and the boot capacity has been increased to 405 litres (compared to 378 litres for the Alfa 156).
Thanks to its new platform, the Alfa Romeo 159 offers the best torsional rigidity within its category (182.000 Kgm/rad compared to 153.400 Kgm/rad for the previous BMW 3 Series). A new suspension system with quadrilateral arms at the front and a multilink setup at the rear ensures the Alfa 159 with excellent road-holding, increased stability as well class-leading turn-in, even at remarkably high speed.
Sound proofing has also been improved, which is partly due to the new architecture of the door frame design which reduces wind noise in a drastic way. The glass has also been thickened to 5 mm against 4 mm on the Alfa 156.
With a 5-star Euro NCAP safety rating, the Alfa Romeo 159 has all of the latest innovations in terms of active and passive safety: 8 airbags (front airbags for driver and passenger, sidebags, curtain airbags front and rear, kneebags for both driver and passenger), seatbelt reminder sound, seatbelt pretensioners, anti-whiplash headrests, retractable pedals during frontal impact, Fire System Prevention, ABS / ASR / VSC.
A lot of new equipment can be found on the Alfa 159 range: electronic keycard (with engine start / stop button), central console with coolbox, automatic Tri-zone Air-conditioning, digital tyre pressure guage, parking sensors at the front and rear, 6.5" colour TFT screen for satellite navigation, voice recognition, blue tooth, etc.
More equipment includes: folding rear seats, interior inserts from aluminium or genuine wood, electrically operated seats, bi-xenon headlights (with increased visibility of 300% compared to traditional headlights), Rear Entertainment Kit, etc.
The Alfa Romeo 159 will have a number of engines available from the start of its dealer launch, all of which ensure optimal performance in terms of power and torque. There will be three aluminium-block petrol engines using the latest JTS direct injection and Twin Phaser technology. These engines are the 1.9 JTS, the 2.2 JTS and the 3.2 JTS. The 3.2 JTS will only be available with integral four-wheel-drive. Alongside the petrol engines, there will also be three diesel engines available with Multi-Jet Common Rail technology, variable turbo geometry and Diesel Particulate Filters. These diesel engines come in the form of the proven 1.9 8V / 16V and 2.4 20V units. The 2.4 JTD M-JET 20V will be available with both two- and four-wheel drive.
All of the engines meet EURO 4 standards, but even more impressive are the diesel engines which meet EURO 5 standards due to their Diesel Particulate Filter technology. EURO 5 standards will remain valid until 2010 for automotive manufacturers.

Impression
1.9 JTS (6M)
1.9 JTD M-JET 8V (6M)

Progression
1.9 JTS (6M)
2.2 JTS (6M / Selespeed)

1.9 JTD M-JET 8V (6M)
1.9 JTD M-JET 16V (6M/6A)

Distinctive

2.2 JTS (6M / Selespeed)
3.2 JTS Q4 (6M / 6A)

1.9 JTD M-JET 16V (6M/6A)
2.4 JTD M-JET 20V (6M / 6A)

Pricing
Whereas the pricing of the Alfa 159 has not yet been decided by the management in Turin, a minimum average price increase of 7% over the Alfa 156 is expected.


Launch plan
The pan-European launch campaign for the new Alfa 159 will start rolling out early next month, ratcheting up to a formal autumn sales debut.
The first week of June will see Alfa Romeo launch an internet advertising and awareness-building campaign, and the delivery of sales literature, including the finalised price structure, to the dealers network. Meanwhile mid-June will see the Alfa 159 officially presented to the press.
A week later, on 20th June, there will be a special convention in Munich, while the end of that month will see the first cars, for promotional use, arriving with the importers across Europe.

These cars will be then used for a series of high-profile events. For example the Belgium importer will use three high-class locations in Northern Belgium, Brussels, Southern Belgium to present the Alfa 159 to a wide, discerning public.
All these high-profile events will lead up to a full-blown showroom debut for the Alfa 159, and the starting of deliveries to initial customers, scheduled to kick off at the beginning of September 2005.

Option
Parking sensors rear
Blue tooth and voice recognition
SATNAV with colour display
Leather sports interior

Leather sports interior “full option”
TI Pack
Exterior Sport Pack
Interior Sport Pack
Luxury Pack
Aluminium Pack
Utility Sedan Pack
Wooden steering wheel
Digital tyre pressure gauge

Blue tooth and voice recognition with off-board navigation

[ar1750gtv]

Thanks Sakiss for reprinting this article.

OK, I'll take one with the 2.4 JTD M-JET 20V diesel engine. You'll understand why when gas prices hit $4 a gallon in the US! It's comming sooner than you can imagine. You would still have decent performance and 35-40 MPG too boot!

I wish Alfa Romeo would read this and start importing these cars to the US!

[sakiss]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar1750gtv Thanks Sakiss for reprinting this article. OK, I'll take one with the 2.4 JTD M-JET 20V diesel engine. You'll understand why when gas prices hit $4 a gallon in the US! It's comming sooner than you can imagine. You would still have decent performance and 35-40 MPG too boot! I wish Alfa Romeo would read this and start importing these cars to the US!