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05-10-2008, 07:57 PM
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Just a few jokes that were running back in Europe in its days :
Why the Alfa 164 has a heated rear window ?
So you do not freez your hands as you have to push it to starts every morning in winter
Why did they put two exhaust pites on the Alfa 164 ?
So you can carry it as a wheelbarrow to the garage, it is much cheaper as you have to bring it ther often.
Why do Alfa 164 have four pedal on the floor ?
The fourth one is to pump up the airbags in case of accident
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05-11-2008, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicola
Nope, it was a 164Q, somewhere in Eastern Oregon. Took the picture because I had missed a similar opportunity with a 1991 S in Eastern Montana a couple of years before that.
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05-11-2008, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by richardbradford
Was the 12V 1991 S showing the same speed? With a rear wind the 24V could achieve the 160+mph your picture shows but even if it is speedo optimistic you must have still been doing around 150mph - which aint slow. The series 2 164s are brilliantly stable at high speeds - significantly better than the series 1; which to me only felt aerodynamically settled above 100mph, while the series 2 feels really planted at all speeds. Even when doing 145mph through a 'wind farm'. Great cars! :-)
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05-11-2008, 05:38 PM
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I suppose that if we had Alfa 156s and 147s over here, we too would find the 164 to be a bit over the hill.
But we don't, so my 1995 LS is just about the newest Alfa you can have in the land of the free and the home of the brave unless you are prepared to lay out 250,000 dead presidents for a brand new Maserati oops I mean Alfa 8C.
I just got mine back from Jeff Greenfield (Alfaguy) and had a great blast over back roads from New Lebanon back to Albany. I can't believe that any Nissan has the sheer composure, the absolutely perfect steering or the wonderful engine sound of my 24-valve baby.
Dated, yes, but still magnificent.
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05-12-2008, 08:08 AM
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The most beautiful sedan ever to hit American soil in the last 20years, except maybe the Maserati Quattroporte, which was penned by the master Pinninfarina.
Ive been in alot of cars and alot of premium sedans including Jags, Bimmers, Benzes, Saabs, Volvos, Acuras etc........ but nothing has come close to the exclusivity, originality and beauty of the 164. The engine is a work of art, the interior is distinct and comfortable, how about those 164S seats eh?
Nobody sits around a 1995 BMW 530, Audi 90, Benz E320 or Volvo 760 and looks at it or even chat about the ownership experience.
Perfect its not my friend, but while my friends were getting towed in their MK3 GTI's, i was happy driving around my Milano and its christmas tree dashboard lights.
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05-12-2008, 08:51 AM
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Non Californian Clod,
You know, for someone who doesn't want to start any trouble, you are sure going the wrong way about it. These jokes don't even make any sense?? They're stupid, and poorly written, which seems like the majority of your posts. There are reasonable people and unreasonable people here on this board; you are an unreasonable person. Who goes into a boxing match and in front of everyone, starts exclaiming how awful and ridiculous everyone is? No one does except for you. Maybe you should 
I think if you were to post the same question in the Milano, Spider, GTV, etc, you would get the same response and probably a stronger one at that. This time don't go suing everyone like you Belgium natives seem to like to do. I wouldn't be surprised to find out you are him hiding behind another screen name.
Which brings me to another point. How anti-American are you? You seem to be oh so proud of Belgium and France, but screw the USA, right? No pride for your current country, eh? I think if you're living here, you should have pride for your country and be grateful you can have your own opinion and be able to express it. If you don't then simply GET OUT! Hey does your screen name mean the USA are traders?  
BTW, if you plan on suing me, you'd be wasting your time. I don't own anything in my name and I make ends meat $$. 
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Originally Posted by usatrade
Just a few jokes that were running back in Europe in its days :
Why the Alfa 164 has a heated rear window ?
So you do not freez your hands as you have to push it to starts every morning in winter
Why did they put two exhaust pites on the Alfa 164 ?
So you can carry it as a wheelbarrow to the garage, it is much cheaper as you have to bring it ther often.
Why do Alfa 164 have four pedal on the floor ?
The fourth one is to pump up the airbags in case of accident
:-)))
Claude
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05-12-2008, 09:45 AM
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Dear Sean;
I think you got it totally wrong. First of all I am not hiding behind any screen nor anything else.
I do not see were there is any pride talking about France or Belgium (by the way I do not like the french very much)
All I have done is tell you the truth about the how the people felt about the 164 in Belgium and in France mainly.
I have never said any where that this car did not have one of the most beautiful engine in the world (I have said this many times in many threads).
You guys who own one love the 164. Good, there is nothing wrong woyj yjis. All I have fone is tell you some slices of the 164 life overseas.
The Spiders, GTV's, Milanos (75 V8 in Europe) are loved by everyone (not much though the standard 75's). It is only the 164 that was a flop over there.
And please do not put anywhere anytime any doubt about my Love for America. Your etes are so full of blood thinking that I am attacking you guys that you are totally blind and infuriated over nothing.
I rememver like it was yesterday the very first american Soldiers that entered Brussels yp liberate us from the Germans.
I worked several years for NATO
I left France in the uproar of 1968 for the USA because ,y young wife was pregnant and I did not want my child to be born FRENXH.
My other 3 kids are also US citizens qnd my first grand son is a US citizen.
And finally let me know how grateful and thankful deep down in our hearts for what the USA is doing trying to ckear this world of terrorism.
Let me tell you you hit the wrong cord there and by insulting me you are trying yo raise an issue were there is NONE whatsoever.
I really feel sorry for guys like you.
Now I stop here, this is not the place for such thread.
Claude
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05-12-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dave_fonz_164
The most beautiful sedan ever to hit American soil in the last 20years, except maybe the Maserati Quattroporte, which was penned by the master Pinninfarina....
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...This time don't go suing everyone like you Belgium natives seem to like to do. I wouldn't be surprised to find out you are him hiding behind another screen name...
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Sean,
Imo, over the line and uncalled for. Claude may not even know to what or whom your making reference or the circumstances involved. That party writes far worse and his style, tone, and grammatical errors are easily recognizable in contrast to Claude's posts.
You should be able to make your point substantially and adequately without penalizing an entire country's population because of one bad apple.
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05-12-2008, 12:34 PM
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But then again, the French blindly buy their Peugeots, Citroens etc...while they rank lowest in reliability ratings all over Europe. They ridicule Italian craftsmanship but yet the best luxury car they can come up with is a Peugeto 607 V6 or a Renault Avantime?
Italy and France have a love/hate relationship, so what they think of a 164 is meaningless.
Remember the Peugeot 605, direct competitor to the 164?.............i wonder what it looks like and who designed it 
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Dear Sean;
I think you got it totally wrong. First of all I am not hiding behind any screen nor anything else.
I do not see were there is any pride talking about France or Belgium (by the way I do not like the french very much)
All I have done is tell you the truth about the how the people felt about the 164 in Belgium and in France mainly.
I have never said any where that this car did not have one of the most beautiful engine in the world (I have said this many times in many threads).
You guys who own one love the 164. Good, there is nothing wrong woyj yjis. All I have fone is tell you some slices of the 164 life overseas.
The Spiders, GTV's, Milanos (75 V8 in Europe) are loved by everyone (not much though the standard 75's). It is only the 164 that was a flop over there.
And please do not put anywhere anytime any doubt about my Love for America. Your etes are so full of blood thinking that I am attacking you guys that you are totally blind and infuriated over nothing.
I rememver like it was yesterday the very first american Soldiers that entered Brussels yp liberate us from the Germans.
I worked several years for NATO
I left France in the uproar of 1968 for the USA because ,y young wife was pregnant and I did not want my child to be born FRENXH.
My other 3 kids are also US citizens qnd my first grand son is a US citizen.
And finally let me know how grateful and thankful deep down in our hearts for what the USA is doing trying to ckear this world of terrorism.
Let me tell you you hit the wrong cord there and by insulting me you are trying yo raise an issue were there is NONE whatsoever.
I really feel sorry for guys like you.
Now I stop here, this is not the place for such thread.
Claude
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05-12-2008, 01:03 PM
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Sean,
Imo, over the line and uncalled for. Claude may not even know to what or whom your making reference or the circumstances involved. That party writes far worse and his style, tone, and grammatical errors are easily recognizable in contrast to Claude's posts.
You should be able to make your point substantially and adequately without penalizing an entire country's population because of one bad apple.
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Usually, I wouldn't even say some of the things I have said, but this "member" is having a grand time at annoying people for fun (Google the term "internet troll); I don't believe there was any good will from the start of this thread. I can understand someone asking what they like about their 164's and such, but rubbing in everyone's face that the car was not liked in Europe and blah blah blah it was ugly blah blah blah is asking for some not so nice replies and people getting very defensive about their cars. For most people, a car is not JUST a car. It is part of their life and they are very proud of it. Some people may show that in different ways by modifying it or keeping it clean or whatnot. But when you get on a PUBLIC forum and start bad-mouthing a car that many people own and are very proud of(and then writing stupid ridiculous jokes that make no sense), expect some unhappy campers.
No, I'm not angry and I really don't care. We all are people hiding behind their computer screen. I bet if we were all in a room, we would get along just fine. You know why? I believe most people have enough common sense (in person) to know what to filter and what to say. I doubt he would be saying how ugly the car is and how everyone in Europe just were disgusted with it if the parking lot outside was filled with 164's.
Just my $.02........
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05-12-2008, 01:39 PM
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Sorry to say again to you Sean, you see blindly "bad" where there is none ! ! !
I started this thread because I was startled at the love here for the 164. And everything I said about this car in Europe is the truth and nothing else !!!
I am just amazed at what this thread come up with. Now if you want me to trell you that the Italian, the French, the Belgians, the Germans and other Euriopean are so crazy about their 164 as here do not expect me to say it this is not true !
Someone put a thread in here not too long ago concerning US cars in Europe. It is true. When I drove my 94 Cadillac STS in Europe I was the king of the hill and here it is considered an old cluncker for old farts although it has a fabulous Northstar engine, second to none !
Yes the Peugeot 605 was a total flop (like before the Renault 30 with the same V6 engine). The French have never been able to built a large size automobile.
So Sean go somewhere else to spill your anger aty Europeans. You got the wrong guy here !
Claude
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05-12-2008, 01:42 PM
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LOL, you just don't get it do you......
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05-12-2008, 01:44 PM
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Sorry the 164 was well received and loved in Italy and other European countries such as Britain. I think the dislike is more of a general ignorant status amongst the French towards Italian cars.
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Originally Posted by usatrade
Sorry to say again to you Sean, you see blindly "bad" where there is none ! ! !
I started this thread because I was startled at the love here for the 164. And everything I said about this car in Europe is the truth and nothing else !!!
I am just amazed at what this thread come up with. Now if you want me to trell you that the Italian, the French, the Belgians, the Germans and other Euriopean are so crazy about their 164 as here do not expect me to say it this is not true !
Someone put a thread in here not too long ago concerning US cars in Europe. It is true. When I drove my 94 Cadillac STS in Europe I was the king of the hill and here it is considered an old cluncker for old farts although it has a fabulous Northstar engine, second to none !
Yes the Peugeot 605 was a total flop (like before the Renault 30 with the same V6 engine). The French have never been able to built a large size automobile.
So Sean go somewhere else to spill your anger aty Europeans. You got the wrong guy here !
Claude
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