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In fact what you need to drive on the back roads of beatiful Provence is a good 145. it is a real go-kart and super fast. Only you will have to slow down to hear the "cigales" !
I still be surprised if you see "battered" 75 V6. All other 75's yes. V6 of course not that many in France.
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04-26-2008, 08:40 AM
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Neah, V6s get saved. The more base model ones get killed off though.
Ah, les cigales! Elles arrivent a grand pas!
My best memory of the 145 isn't in France but in Sicily, we drove from Catania to a little bit past Messina in one doing an average of 150km/h. When we got there, I looked at the odometer, it had around 230,000 kilometers. That thing ran like new. But, that's a different story for a different time.
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04-26-2008, 08:46 AM
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I regret mine !
I drove the hell out of it in Nothern Spain when not using the Cadi, the Spider or the Twingo.
Pleqse send us some "cigales" and keep the rusted 164's over there or make a éspare parts business" you'll make a mint with them here!
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04-26-2008, 09:10 AM
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SLC vs. France
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Neah, V6s get saved. The more base model ones get killed off though.
Ah, les cigales! Elles arrivent a grand pas!
My best memory of the 145 isn't in France but in Sicily, we drove from Catania to a little bit past Messina in one doing an average of 150km/h. When we got there, I looked at the odometer, it had around 230,000 kilometers. That thing ran like new. But, that's a different story for a different time.
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On holiday, en route to the Olympics, school, collecting Italian cars to bring home, or something else?
Sometimes because so many of the bbers are North American based, not excluding you, of course, we, as a general population, forget that culture, region, lifestyle, values, etc. contribute to how others view Alfas, their worth, their appeal etc. and their stories worldwide, which sometimes in trying to get or convey information or share stories appears to become somewhat of a contest or dispute many times based on a different level of communication skills, not speaking the same language, jokes or inferences that do not translate well etc.
Overall, with the above sorted through there is an appreciation of how things may be perceived differently around the world and as a result learning or recognition of others opinions or thoughts are discovered, whether there is agreement or not. I have always found you to be cordial, accepting, and able to set aside what some others are not able to based on their narrow focus; it's nice to see you back and posting again.
Hope you are enjoying your time abroad as in the past.
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04-26-2008, 09:15 AM
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but this one goes to 11..
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Hey now, the 300E is a fantastic car. I'm not saying it's better or worse than a 164 but somebody has to sing its praises. I miss mine more than any car I've owned.
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05-04-2008, 12:32 PM
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Hey Claude,
What you don't get (you are from California so I have to take that into account) is that noboby here gives a crap what Europe thinks... pretty much about anything, especially Belgium and France.
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05-04-2008, 12:40 PM
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Hey Claude,
What you don't get (you are from California so I have to take that into account) is that noboby here gives a crap what Europe thinks... pretty much about anything, especially Belgium and France.
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05-04-2008, 01:23 PM
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if i was going to buy a 4 door alfa i personally would buy a milano - and in general those are considered not good looking at all!
i probably would never buy a 164 but i can sure appreciate them and understand why people love them just as much as i love my spider.
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05-04-2008, 01:41 PM
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Alfa 164 / Californianism
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LOL! Don't let him give all of us Californians a bad name! He wasn't born here so he isn't a true Californian... |
Where do you fall in the California time line?
Does it make me a truer Californian as a 3rd generation native or just a different breed of Californian?
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05-04-2008, 02:40 PM
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164 vs the world
The Alfa Romeo 164 is obsolete. A new Nisan Altima handles similarly, has lighter steering with less vibrations through the steering wheel, gets better gas mileage, and will go to the crusher without a wimper from me. It's an ugly design; boring boring boring.
The Alfa is a stunner in terms of design, has sound engineering, I stole it in '03, love it still. Buy one to show people you have good aesthetic judgement. the rest doesn't count, really. Who cares whether or not you get to work; how plebian!
The Milano is the best handler of the lot, any lot, but not as dependable, though not as bad as some make it seem, even Pat Braden.
Let the games begin, er, continue.
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05-04-2008, 03:05 PM
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The Alfa Romeo 164 is obsolete. A new Nisan Altima handles similarly, has lighter steering with less vibrations through the steering wheel, gets better gas mileage, and will go to the crusher without a wimper from me. It's an ugly design; boring boring boring.
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If you're going to talk about lighter steering, you need to know the facts first. There are 164's with heavy steering and lighter steering. This usually has something to do with the steering damper that was in some racks and not others among other things.
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05-04-2008, 04:15 PM
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Sorry if I am not a true Californian,
sorry if I am from Europe.
If I a; not mistaking probably more than half American originated from Europe, no ?
And maybe Alfamale44 wants me out of the state !
Just for the records my 4 kids (now parents themselves are American citizen, born in America, all four of them, because I did NOT want them to be born anywhere in Europe !!!
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05-04-2008, 04:17 PM
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164 vs. Milano
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...The Milano is the best handler of the lot, any lot, but not as dependable, though not as bad as some make it seem, even Pat Braden.
Let the games begin, er, continue.
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American Alfas
I suppose that if we had Alfa 156s and 147s over here, we too would find the 164 to be a bit over the hill.
But we don't, so my 1995 LS is just about the newest Alfa you can have in the land of the free and the home of the brave unless you are prepared to lay out 250,000 dead presidents for a brand new Maserati oops I mean Alfa 8C.
I just got mine back from Jeff Greenfield (Alfaguy) and had a great blast over back roads from New Lebanon back to Albany. I can't believe that any Nissan has the sheer composure, the absolutely perfect steering or the wonderful engine sound of my 24-valve baby.
Dated, yes, but still magnificent.
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People like them here because they are the last of their kind for North Americans. Just because it has an Alfa badge it's gonna be something great to Alfisti. I heard it's even faster than a 5-series of the same generation. But I never liked the two tone color scheme that most of the 164s in America have. When its all one color I don't think it looks bad. Mind you, they never look great to me...they're just not bad.
What I hate most about the 164 is that its fwd layout always made it seem more like a cruiser than a true sports sedan. To me, its fwd makes it more "Cadillac" than "Alfa Romeo"...but if Alfa comes back to the USA I guess I will have to get use to this. In this aspect, the 164 is much more modern than some people think.
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