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Kramer drove an ALFA!
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Actually, I think he drove a Mazda Cosmo, no?
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04-15-2008, 05:02 PM
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hahahahahha!!
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04-15-2008, 05:27 PM
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Unofficial "Official" Cartoon Thread of Chicago Convention
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Are you sure post #167 wouldn't be more appropriate based on some of the other posts and comments on that thread and the previous ones that were removed? 
Oh, I know the problem, she didn't drive the car.....
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05-08-2008, 06:04 AM
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Jerry must be too busy. Just to let you all know: Kathleen bought the original cartoon of me in my '69 Spider 1300 Junior and then had a local Alfista who has a framing shop frame it for my Birthday. It is now on the wall in our dining room and looks great! Thanks again, Jerry!!
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05-08-2008, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Csank
Jerry must be too busy. Just to let you all know: Kathleen bought the original cartoon of me in my '69 Spider 1300 Junior and then had a local Alfista who has a framing shop frame it for my Birthday. It is now on the wall in our dining room and looks great! Thanks again, Jerry!!
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Duh, and the pictures
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05-08-2008, 06:27 AM
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You want pics of the cartoon on our dining room wall? OK. I'll try and do that later.
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05-30-2008, 06:37 PM
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Unofficial Cartoon Thread of Chicago Convention / Calif. vs. Copyright
Jerry,
You must have gotten your car back since we haven't had any new cartoons lately. Someone must have forgotten the bribe payment to the mechanic.
You will be happy to know that your work is protected in California, I don't know about the other 49 states. I tried several places today to try and have image #12 put on a shirt to wear to the convention, the answer I got everywhere from low-priced to high-priced was not without a copyright release from the creator. It was obvious to anyone wherever I tried that it was intellectual property and therefore fell under copyright laws.
Yes, I was honest when they asked me how I got the picture and explained the situation; these are the same people that printed Patty's picture of Pat on my shirt last year; the difference, she was my daughter; and even though this was posted to the Internet, it is still protected by copyright to the creator. I'm not surprised, somewhat disappointed, but didn't expect them to pick up on it or request what they did to be able to use it.
So for all of you that scoffed at the two CarDisc threads about copyright and have commented on Pat's work being copyrighted that has appeared in The Owner under a one-time use provision, both of those show registered copyright marks; here's one without a printed copyright, but assumed to be copyrighted and protected under intellectual property and copyright provisions.
A lesson to us all....about it's importance and that some companies do care about abiding by the law; not at all meant to intimate that I was trying to break it. Jerry, knew I was going to have a shirt made for the convention.
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05-31-2008, 10:39 AM
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Jerry,
You must have gotten your car back since we haven't had any new cartoons lately. Someone must have forgotten the bribe payment to the mechanic.
You will be happy to know that your work is protected in California, I don't know about the other 49 states. I tried several places today to try and have image #12 put on a shirt to wear to the convention, the answer I got everywhere from low-priced to high-priced was not without a copyright release from the creator. It was obvious to anyone wherever I tried that it was intellectual property and therefore fell under copyright laws.
Yes, I was honest when they asked me how I got the picture and explained the situation; these are the same people that printed Patty's picture of Pat on my shirt last year; the difference, she was my daughter; and even though this was posted to the Internet, it is still protected by copyright to the creator. I'm not surprised, somewhat disappointed, but didn't expect them to pick up on it or request what they did to be able to use it.
So for all of you that scoffed at the two CarDisc threads about copyright and have commented on Pat's work being copyrighted that has appeared in The Owner under a one-time use provision, both of those show registered copyright marks; here's one without a printed copyright, but assumed to be copyrighted and protected under intellectual property and copyright provisions.
A lesson to us all....about it's importance and that some companies do care about abiding by the law; not at all meant to intimate that I was trying to break it. Jerry, knew I was going to have a shirt made for the convention.
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Pat, Fom experience and from the evidence you have presented, I come to a different conclusion; companies are risk adverse and wish to avoid any possibility of litagation. You may remember the cartonist R.Crumb who created the famous "keep on trucking" cartoon, he didn't apply for a copyright and when he sued others for using the image and slogan he created, he lost. I strongly advise Jerry to copyright his work. Now laws may have changed and artist rights have been strengthened but personal use of non-copyrighted images (even copyrighted) not for financial gain/profit should be protected by the first admendment (fair use/free speech), but most businesses aren't worried about the rights of citizens, they are worried about the costs of litigation.
PS - can't resist, in addition to driving a Cosmo, Kramer watches Versus
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Unofficial Cartoon Thread of Chicago Convention / Copyright
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Pat, Fom experience and from the evidence you have presented, I come to a different conclusion; companies are risk adverse and wish to avoid any possibility of litagation. You may remember the cartonist R.Crumb who created the famous "keep on trucking" cartoon, he didn't apply for a copyright and when he sued others for using the image and slogan he created, he lost. I strongly advise Jerry to copyright his work. Now laws may have changed and artist rights have been strengthened but personal use of non-copyrighted images (even copyrighted) not for financial gain/profit should be protected by the first admendment (fair use/free speech), but most businesses aren't worried about the rights of citizens, they are worried about the costs of litigation.
PS - can't resist, in addition to driving a Cosmo, Kramer watches Versus
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Put in those terms, I do agree that businesses wish to limit risk and litigation and with the proviso that certain intellectual/artistic rights have been strengthened. I know that you can get around copyright in certain instances with the face-to-face teaching provisions, but I don't believe you can under fair use/free speech in this case. I'm taking someone's art and putting it on a shirt I intend to wear. I guess, it could be considered free advertising, but I don't think copyright would look at it that way. Fair use, as it pertains to copyright, is usually used in the terms of right to excerpt small passages or quote material without seeking legal relief or copyright release for a larger portion.
I've sent Jerry an e-mail explaining the situation.
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Let's clean up this thread.
In fairness to Jerry's genius, those who have posted on this thread without any ties to the "Cartoons for the Chicago Convention" should consider removing them.
Jerry, where you at? Is the book complete? I have been wearing your t-shirt and the members love them!
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06-12-2008, 05:17 AM
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beautiful stuff, bud...I'll be posting soome pix of my ALFASON soon.............
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At last I am trying to put some things together for my booth at the convention.
While my selection of art may not be all I had hoped, at least I do plan to make the event. Making those 50 pieces in 60 days left me drained, but I am glad I did it and hope to share some enjoyable time with you fellow Alfisti.
Also hoping to have the unofficial poster of the Chicago convention on hand.
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I thought only U-T BUFF crews went to PB.
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