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I was taught to drive on a manual transmission car on the theory that it would make me pay greater attention to my driving. I like the theory.

As for girls driving stickshift, my college girlfriend won my heart when she proudly introduced herself to everyone on my freshman dorm floor, "I'm Amy, and _I_ can drive a stickshift."
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:58 PM
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The problem with single American women these days is none of them can drive stick. Pretty much all the girls I have dated have asked me to teach them (most on my Alfa). To which my reply is usually "we'll see" or in some cases "no".

That never goes over well

Then of course, there are the ones that can drive manual and want to drive my car. That never goes over well either.

It's a lose lose situation.
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Well since I started this thread, I guess I can add my own learning curve. I was raised on a farm and started driving tractors when I was about 8-9. When I was 12, I literally drove a brand new Nash Rambler from the factory in Wisconsin to a car dealership in LA, CA for their customer who had ordered it. My father sleep most of the way. I got my license when I was 14 to drive a motor scooter by myself and a car in daytime with older driver along.

I have been driving a long long time.
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Old 05-03-2007, 02:05 AM
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My father told me that he had started driving at a young age so naturally he wanted me to do the same. As he never needed any real teaching of how to drive he was never really a good teacher, he knew what he was doing but couldn't relate what he knew to easy to follow instructions. That was ok for me as I learned how to drive in a similar situation to my dad, in a flatbed truck. He let me drive it around the yard and the only thing he basically told me was to let the clutch out untill I could feel it grab. Once I new where that point was driving was straight forward.

My sister has just started to learn how to drive and unlike my father and myself, she had no experiance of driving a car before she obtained her learners license. Mum refuses to take her as she is still in her very early stages of driving and dad has trouble teaching her as she can't understand his teachings. That has basically left me to teach her how to learn the basics on our quiet street, I can't take her out far as I'm only on my 2nd year provisional license. No matter what we tell her to do she cant feel the clutch grabbing, so I tried to show her how to let the clutch out, and how SLOW you have to let it out to take off smoothly. I then showed her how to take off without using the accelerator. Hopefully she will try to this when dad takes her out.
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A friend of my parents got her drivers licence in the 50's, and was taught to drive by a neighbouring farmer who owned a relatively new Mercedes, which was a big deal in rural Australia in the 50s.

They rocked up at the police station for her to take her test, and when they went outside the cop asked the old farmer if he had taught her to drive in the Mercedes. When he replied yes the cop said words to the effect..."well if you let her drive that, then it's good enough for me, so come inside and I'll give you your licence" !!
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Old 05-03-2007, 05:25 AM
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I learned how to drive at 14 working on a friend's farm. After work we'd get into "3 'n' 1" cars (work on 'em 3 days and they'd run for 1) and race around the perimeter of the farm. Coming up over small hills, all 4 wheels would be off the ground. And, of course, they were all stick shifts.

When I taught my oldest son how to drive it was on a 5-speed Mazda pickup. We went out to an empty parking lot with a couple of inches of snow on it so I could teach him how to drift and steer into a skid, a technique that has saved both our lives on more than 1 occasion.
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:23 AM
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The problem with single American women these days is none of them can drive stick. Pretty much all the girls I have dated have asked me to teach them (most on my Alfa). To which my reply is usually "we'll see" or in some cases "no".
I lucked out so I get to brag a little bit here... My girlfriend learned to drive on a stick per her mom's orders (cool mom.) After I sheepishly handed over the keys to my 164S, it wasn't five minutes before she said, "So how do I double clutch downshifts?" She had me at "double clutch"...
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:40 AM
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No matter what we tell her to do she cant feel the clutch grabbing, so I tried to show her how to let the clutch out, and how SLOW you have to let it out to take off smoothly. I then showed her how to take off without using the accelerator. Hopefully she will try to this when dad takes her out.
In a way, I hesitate to post this because it probably will sound illogical or bizarre; but this is how I learned where that place of grab was and that I could move forward crawling from there ever so slowly. Once you find the place of grab or release, continue to let the clutch out in the same slow increments in the beginning, just so your feet can learn and feel the difference in pressure.

Don't use your brain to think about moving forward and not jerking or hopping, but instead kind of close off that part of your brain and concentrate totally on what the feeling or sensation is in your feet as you seesaw with the increased or lessened pressure of the clutch being released and the accelerator being depressed. Start with the clutch, learn that pressure sensation first, even if you stall without the gas, and then add the accelerator and find the balance point. I also won't recommend this but I did it -- I started barefoot so I could feel the pedals and the pressure, then moved to thin soled shoes, and on from there.

Once you can identify that feeling just in your feet, you can drive any stick shift successfully as well as hold your position on a steep hill with the proper balance of gas pedal and clutch being furnished so you don't have to start from a dead stop using the parking brake etc.
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how to learn a clutch

So here's the best trick for teaching a driver how to use a manual transmission with a clutch.
Find a level parking lot. Have them drive, but DO NOT LET THEM USE THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL!
The idle setting on almost every car is sufficient to get the car rolling on level ground without using the gas pedal at all. Doing this allows the student to learn about clutch engagement without clouding the issue with the accelerator. Also, there is little risk to the clutch being trashed at such low rpm.
After the student masters starting without the accelerator, then let them use the gas once the car is already rolling. But again, don't rush them to balance the clutch and the gas during starts. This will happen all on it's own.
I suggest trying this yourself first... it's really easy, because if you are a normal driver you barely use the gas to get going either, you just don't realize it.
There it is, an easy way to learn how to drive a manual.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:44 AM
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In a way, I hesitate to post this because it probably will sound illogical or bizarre; but this is how I learned where that place of grab was and that I could move forward crawling from there ever so slowly. Once you find the place of grab or release, continue to let the clutch out in the same slow increments in the beginning, just so your feet can learn and feel the difference in pressure.

Don't use your brain to think about moving forward and not jerking or hopping, but instead kind of close off that part of your brain and concentrate totally on what the feeling or sensation is in your feet as you seesaw with the increased or lessened pressure of the clutch being released and the accelerator being depressed.
Thats very true about closing off that part of the brain, we all drive without thinking about it as if we are walking or riding a bike. Driving a car is all about "feeling", if you have to think about every single movement you have to make then all your attention is off the road which is dangerous. I completely understand what you are saying but you can probably imagine what my sister's reaction would be if I told her "not to think about what you are doing" She wouldn't understand. She has started to get the hang of taking off without the clutch since I gave her some advice but she had a little mishap.

My father and I were not home so she called my dad to ask if she could practice going up and down the drive by herself. As mum was home and could keep an eye on her, he said yes which really he shouldn't have. As her perception of where the car is on the road/driveway isn't very good yet, she was getting closer and closer to the side of the house as she was going up and down the drive. Mum just so happened to go outside just at the right time as my sister had hit the side of the house with her drivers side mirror. The wall was undamaged but she marked the edge of the mirror, not to bad but enough to have made me cry if it was my car.
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Tried the-releasing-the-clutch-without-using-the-gas method with my daughter last Sunday at a school parking lot. Worked like a charm, I would recommend it to anyone. Before I knew it she was tooling around the parking lot, upshifting (but didn't work on downshifting yet) reversing, and practicing parking. Her confidence shot straight up.

She kept commenting how the 164 felt like a big go-kart, and really attached to the road. The only other driving experience she's had was with my Buick--quite a difference! She truly understood why I like the car so much.
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The problem with single American women these days is none of them can drive stick. Pretty much all the girls I have dated have asked me to teach them (most on my Alfa). To which my reply is usually "we'll see" or in some cases "no".

That never goes over well

Then of course, there are the ones that can drive manual and want to drive my car. That never goes over well either.

It's a lose lose situation.
Well, maybe you should try dating on a bicycle built for two, a motorcycle, the bus, walking, etc. or move to a different city or state and remove what seems to be interfering with your successful dating. Maybe one of those will make it a "win win" situation for you....or you could consider marrying your next door neighbor and solving the problem.

...and FTR not every single American woman today doesn't know how to drive a stick. I knew long before I got into Alfas.
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Well, lesson two with 5-speed 164 daughter practiced clutch engagement in parking lot and shifting to 2nd gear with much better results.

I think we will try in our Ranger pick up next to see how that goes, too.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:28 AM
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Just delivered my beloved '85 spider to my grandson. A brutal trip from California to Texas. He was blown away, as I hadn't told him.

I took him out for a run, tried to show him a few things. Then I let him try it. He did better than I expected. Tried to think of all the things I needed to explain to him. Forgot most.

This will be a good car to go to the prom in, as he graduates soon. The excitment on getting an Alfa for his first car was evident by the expression on his face.

I'll miss top down driving, but I'm enjoying my GTV6 all the same.
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