04-13-2007, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by papajam
Well, this thread has most certainly been a most interesting read! As much as I would like to talk about this subject, I think it better, at least for now, to not say anything.
I would however like to thank, again, all those fellow Alfisti who took the time to write to this thread or sent a PM/personal email expressing their sympathies and best wishes. I means alot to Jaci and me knowing that there are many friends out there pulling for us.
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 Well, it is indeed a most troubling situation. I hope that things get resolved soon. It's far worse than a hanging chad. Keep us posted.
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04-18-2007, 03:57 AM
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hay papajam,
Any news about the trailer or your car? I read that 2 cars were sent, any word on how the other guys car is coming along?
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04-20-2007, 06:32 PM
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I just finished reading both threads and now I literally have a sick feeling in my stomach, as I am in total shock!
I am so, so sorry to hear of this loss to Jim, Jaci and Daron!! I cannot muster any words of wisdom (do I ever?), but my heart goes out to them.
Is there any kind of Auto Body network that could be notified?
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04-21-2007, 04:06 AM
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Welcome to the Board, jaxstand! One heck of a thread for your first post, eh?
Unfortunately, there has been no word from the police of the recovery of either the GTV or the trailer.
I have no detailed info on the other GTV other than work is proceeding. The owner of the car, or akitaman, would have the answer to your question.
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04-21-2007, 09:50 PM
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Hi Jim.
So very Sorry!!! Outraged!!!!
I saw you said reward. All I can say is finding it and getting back to you is the best reward any one could ever get!!!
I hope she stays in the USA Then I feel we will find her some day.
Maybe there could be a bright side in the end. Say in the summer she is found at a show and is all done up.
It has happened.
Take Care
All manner of good wishes your way
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04-21-2007, 09:53 PM
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What's really upsetting is "akitaman's" lack of participation in either of the two threads about Jim's car being stolen, yet he has time to post away on the projects he's working on.
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04-21-2007, 10:02 PM
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well guys so far i haven't heard papajam complaining....until he does, i'm not sure it's right to jump on akitaman....we're on the outside looking in
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04-22-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by faster-gtv
What's really upsetting is "akitaman's" lack of participation in either of the two threads about Jim's car being stolen, yet he has time to post away on the projects he's working on.
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Originally Posted by alfaman
well guys so far i haven't heard papajam complaining....until he does, i'm not sure it's right to jump on akitaman....we're on the outside looking in
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I agree, we are looking from the outside. We also need to consider Papajam's position. Akitaman's lack of interest can be misinterpreted by others. If I had been considering sending my car to his shop, and read through this thread, I would certainly reconsider. Akitaman's participation would also aid in the comfort of those that have their cars at his shop.
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04-22-2007, 07:32 AM
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I really believe that neither Papajam or Akitaman should be saying much if anything on this thread for the fact that if it comes down to law suits, all the responces on this BB are open to the public and the lawyers on whatever side could and would use to their advantage. I am sure all parties are better served by limits on what might be posted. And even PM's would be subject to subpeona if it got ugly.
Trust me on this as I have been there!!!
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04-22-2007, 08:42 AM
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Daron, Papajam and my other friends
Can we all take a deep breath and concentrate on helping both these two gentleman out?
Daron has agreed to finish my car for a set price, despite the fact it needed more work than he anticipated. He's gone "way over and above" on helping me in a huge number of ways.
Papajam has helped me out on numerous occasions with my questions and parts.
I've got nothing but good things to say about the people on this board.
The real criminals are the people not on this board, but the people who scheme to take advantage of our hard work and dedication.
Let's look for the car, chill out on negative commentary, and enjoy our cars and our friendships.
Wes
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04-22-2007, 09:09 AM
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Papajam's Car Stolen !!!!!
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Originally Posted by mulligan1
I really believe that neither Papajam or Akitaman should be saying much if anything on this thread for the fact that if it comes down to law suits, all the responces on this BB are open to the public and the lawyers on whatever side could and would use to their advantage. I am sure all parties are better served by limits on what might be posted. And even PM's would be subject to subpeona if it got ugly.
Trust me on this as I have been there!!!
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Just a couple of examples: once e-mail is considered a "record" it is legally obtainable by subpeona whether it has been saved, printed off, stored on the hard drive, the system's network, back-up tapes, deleted etc. It is the company's duty and responsibility to provide it when subpeoned. If they fail, refuse, or their system is not adequate to provide the requested information, the courts may order the equipment picked up and have the information retrieved forensicly at the company's expense. Not a lot of fun here nor are there are a lot of happy campers as a result.
To take this a little further, anything posted subject to litigation could very well involve Simon so not only are we doing Daron and Jim a huge disservice but also Simon by postings of this continued nature.
The definition of a record is so broad that it would encompass this posting as subpeonable as well as the envelope that Abraham Lincoln scribbled the Gettysburg Address on as he rode the train. The definition of a record does vary by State, for instance, Missouri's definition of a record would not encompass Lincoln's envelope either as a record or as an historically significant document. Missouri is the minority in this case.
E-mail, whether, personal, business, or a mixture thereof, has been proven in the courts over time to be an official record. There are many court cases that can be cited here, one here in Orange County where the accused stalker was found not guilty based on e-mails that had been tampered with. Jenny McCune sums up succinctly what e-mail can become if not treated with attention and care, “Old e-mail can quickly become toxic waste.” (McCune, 1997, January)
A recent example from where I work. A part-time employee trying to be helpful sent an e-mail to everyone on staff about what a particular public library had done as far as signage about the security gates, medical implants, and possible spikes that could be caused by passing through them. Our gates emit 13.5 MHz which are far below the magnetized gates at airports and have very little chance, millionths, of causing any damage. We also have a heart transplant employee who previously wore an implant and passed through the gates numerous times daily without issue. However, there is significant cardiology data on-line that indicates to the contrary of our institution's belief and the gate manufacturer's belief about the potential for harm. In this situation, because everyone has that e-mail, has discussed it, responded to it, etc. it is a record, is subpeonable, and we would be found liable because we could not deny knowing that there is the slimmest of slim possibilities that something could happen. It now must be signed and we must find an alternate route to allow those who notify us of their condition to enter and exit through one of our secured alarmed areas or through an employee only area which would require an employee to fob them through rather than our secured public gated areas.
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I find it incredibly disconcerting that people are so quick to judge without a full set of information. You seem so desperately inclined to want to offer your opinions on a subject that you don't intimately understand and are so quick to condemn people based on this loose and incomplete information. Please keep your judgmental opinions to yourself and quit trying to persecute a person for something that you don't even fully understand. Doing so is incredibly childish, naive and downright scary if you want to get down to it. Our justice system is based on a jury by peers. God forbid I ever get into trouble and have to rely on a set of ignorant buffoons to lay judgment on my head that will condemn me simply because they don't like what happened or because they don't like something about me.
Keep your damn opinions about the situation to yourself unless you have something intelligent to contribute.
Papajam has not laid down an opinion on Akitaman on this BB. Why should you? What gives you the right to do so.
Please, please, please don't post such ignorances. It scares me thinking about all the things that have happened in this world due to harsh judments based on false opinion which are in turn based on incomplete facts and falsities.
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I tried earlier in the thread to try and simmer or unstir the boiling pot in a kinder, gentler way and apparently was not successful. Maybe this is the kind of language that is necessary to get the point across that by continued postings of this nature, not only might we harm Daron and Jim, but also Simon and the bb that everyone finds valuable.
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04-22-2007, 09:11 AM
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Papajam's Car Stolen !!!!!
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Originally Posted by Dr.G
Can we all take a deep breath and concentrate on helping both these two gentleman out?
Daron has agreed to finish my car for a set price, despite the fact it needed more work than he anticipated. He's gone "way over and above" on helping me in a huge number of ways.
Papajam has helped me out on numerous occasions with my questions and parts.
I've got nothing but good things to say about the people on this board.
The real criminals are the people not on this board, but the people who scheme to take advantage of our hard work and dedication.
Let's look for the car, chill out on negative commentary, and enjoy our cars and our friendships.
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Well said.....!!!!!!
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04-22-2007, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by quadrifoglio
I find it incredibly disconcerting that people are so quick to judge without a full set of information. You seem so desperately inclined to want to offer your opinions on a subject that you don't intimately understand and are so quick to condemn people based on this loose and incomplete information. Please keep your judgmental opinions to yourself and quit trying to persecute a person for something that you don't even fully understand. Doing so is incredibly childish, naive and downright scary if you want to get down to it. Our justice system is based on a jury by peers. God forbid I ever get into trouble and have to rely on a set of ignorant buffoons to lay judgment on my head that will condemn me simply because they don't like what happened or because they don't like something about me.
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Keep your damn opinions about the situation to yourself unless you have something intelligent to contribute.
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I consider my questions contributory.
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Papajam has not laid down an opinion on Akitaman on this BB. Why should you? What gives you the right to do so.
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I often ask questions that others don't like to ask or are affraid to ask. The first ammendment gives me that right. My comments are neither accusatory or inflamitory.
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Originally Posted by quadrifoglio
Please, please, please don't post such ignorances. It scares me thinking about all the things that have happened in this world due to harsh judments based on false opinion which are in turn based on incomplete facts and falsities.
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My questions or comments are based on postings and nothing else. Because I ask questions doesn't make me ignorant. Inquisative is a better term.
As I said in an earlier post, if I am wrong about something, I have no problem admitting it and eating crow. As far as I can see, I am neither right nor wrong in any of my postings. I am sorry that you don't like some of the things that I have posted.
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