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No dyno. I really don't care how much or little horsepower a car makes as long as it runs the way I want it to. You will start chasing 2 or 3 HP. Unless your racing for big bucks why bother for the extra breakage.
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02-27-2008, 06:09 AM
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Used to be Fetta78's wifes car. Before the guy I bought it from bought it.
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There was something special about that car even before gt601 got a hold of it......for some strange reason that silly GTV6 would stick to the back of my 92 Camaro RS even though on paper it shoulda been left in the dust (till the first corner anyway!) 
You failed to mention the custom welding on the rear of the car!! It was crazy fast and sounded great, It's still around....we need to get it back!!
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02-27-2008, 02:24 PM
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I'd say there was something special about that car too
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I would buy a MSD red Blaster coil for the car. I had a helluva time with my '83 where it would fall on it's face at around 7,500 rpm with the Bosch blue coil. Bought the MSD coil and it pulled to 9 grand without an issue
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at 8,900 rpm at an auto X ant exploded the front bell housing,driveshaft and transaxle. It bent two shift shafts at that time also
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Doesn't really sound like pulling to 9 grand without an issue to me. I dunno Paul, your story sounds pretty far fetched - maybe that's why I paid it no heed at first, but since ya'll have hijacked this thread with this business, I thought I'd drop a couple of pages of the Shop manual for those who might be thinking of going MSD. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time and money on it. Unless I indeed, had an engine that would do 7k+ rpm. ('course, then I would go aftermarket integrated injection-n-ignition w/coil paks.)
Also, I added the MSD products page, and a good one from AutoSpeed (Crane cams).
MSD Ignitions
Ignition voltage myths
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02-27-2008, 05:16 PM
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You failed to mention the custom welding on the rear of the car!!
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Is that what you were talking about Mark
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02-27-2008, 09:48 PM
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ToonRBoy, an MSD is only good for multiple spark to 3K RPM anyway, so getting one for going over 7K isn't worth it. CDI helps keep the coil firing well at that rpm but you only get that and not multi-sparl. Pretty much any other MSD competitor makes a better product. Mallory and Summt for example.
I didn't see Paul's car going 9K rpm so I can't comment on that but I did hear him run it as Nashville with that Supertrapp on the back and it sounded pissed off. Really high whine and he did well as I recall. Anyway, with the stock injectors you'd be limited to ~ 7k according to Greg G. I'm sure Paul put bigger ones in though, considering all the other work he did.
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02-27-2008, 11:05 PM
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I'd say there was something special about that car too
Except that,
Doesn't really sound like pulling to 9 grand without an issue to me. I dunno Paul, your story sounds pretty far fetched - maybe that's why I paid it no heed at first, but since ya'll have hijacked this thread with this business, |
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02-27-2008, 11:13 PM
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lol, no joke, and no offense, but I'm in their boat too.
the main thing I'm having grasping is how the rocker arms and push rods are able to handle those kinds of forces.
We used welded diffs for drifting. I was thinking about welding an open diff to campaign my Verde, but sliding an Alfa seemed way too costly after things were added up (steering racks, drive shaft donuts, clutches, hydraulic hand brake, other dumb !@#$)
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02-28-2008, 03:50 AM
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Like I said before. The engine hit that many revs but it was not for an extended time. Maybe 3 or four seconds at a time. I'm not going to get into a DD engineering session. All I know is the tach in the car was pretty accurate and when I checked the "replay" it gave me the highest rpm I had hit. It may have been off by 2 or 3 hundred rpm but I wasn't running a tach tester in the car when I drove it.
Who cares any way? The car is long gone and I am just telling it how I saw it.
(I'm not being pissy)
Paul
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83 GTV-6
86 GTV-6
87 Milano Gold
88 Milano Verde
91 164S
77 Alfetta sedan
79 Alfetta GTV(smooshed and ground up)
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02-29-2008, 09:03 AM
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02-27-2008 10:48 PM karmat wrote:
ToonRBoy, an MSD is only good for multiple spark to 3K RPM anyway, so getting one for going over 7K isn't worth it.
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02-29-2008, 10:48 AM
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Right and wrong karmat. Multi-spark is just another way of increasing spark duration - which helps burn the mixture at lower rpms. After 3k rpm there's no time for that. The Stock Alfa ignition is (if you read any of the info) kind'ave a hybrid. Inductive discharge with hall sensor. Seems to do perfectly fine up to around 7k rpm - as Autodelta didn't change it on their race engines, that's good enough for me. So, if you actually were running to 9k rpm, a CDI (MSD) would be better than stock.
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And no argument: the stock system is a good one, I'm not ripping it out. It seems capable of firing almost any near decent mixture at the RPMs I can run. If it ever comes out it will be in favor of a fully programmable system.
Karl
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1969 1750 Berlina
1968 Giulia Sprint GTV (very rough, no motor)
[B]Had:[/B] 1982 GTV6 3.0 w/4.10 rear, Stebro (imported engine from UK in 2002) -- Rear-ended 8/2004.
1988 Milano Verde
[B]Non-Alfas:[/B]1984 Volvo 244
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