
02-03-2008, 09:34 AM
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Wow! Pricey exhaust on Ebay
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02-03-2008, 09:46 AM
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That is a typical Stebro price. I've always though they had good quality, but as far as the price and especially considering similar performance to other systems, I never thought they were worth the money...
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02-03-2008, 10:00 AM
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Once you hear the exhaust note of a V6 Alfa with a FULL and PROPERLY installed Stebro system, you will realize they are worth every penny.
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02-03-2008, 10:05 AM
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but this one goes to 11..
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Originally Posted by Hit an Apex
Once you hear the exhaust note of a V6 Alfa with a FULL and PROPERLY installed Stebro system, you will realize they are worth every penny.
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Do you have an audio file perhaps?
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02-03-2008, 10:29 AM
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I have one of those systems in my shop right now for a customer car. It's very well made, probably better than any other Alfa exhaust I have seen. I have not installed it yet, hopefully it fits as good as it looks.
Greg Gordon,
www.hiperformancestore.com
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02-03-2008, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hit an Apex
Once you hear the exhaust note of a V6 Alfa with a FULL and PROPERLY installed Stebro system, you will realize they are worth every penny.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Gordon
I have one of those systems in my shop right now for a customer car. It's very well made, probably better than any other Alfa exhaust I have seen. I have not installed it yet, hopefully it fits as good as it looks.
Greg Gordon,
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Gents,
Don't doubt the quality or pleasing exhaust note, but the most important factor for me is it's performance. (And I don't doubt that someone not concerned with performance can justify its price, if from a durability standpoint it would be the last exhaust system a car would need.) My experience has only been "seat of the pants", from driving a Spider fitted with the Stebro exhaust. From their claims, I would have expected a design and pipe diameter that really suited a modified street engine very nicely. That's not however, what I experienced, but again it was just "seat of the pants". Do any of you have (or plan to have ) any dyno runs that could show results before the Stebro, and then with the Stebro?
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02-03-2008, 11:17 AM
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Do any of you have (or plan to have  ) any dyno runs that could show results before the Stebro, and then with the Stebro?
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About 10 years ago, I put a Stebro "Cat Back" system on my Father's 164LS. We did G-tech Pro (accelerometer) testing before and after, and found about +10 WHP and +12 Lb/Ft of torque. The seat-of-the-pants increase was also very noticeable.
I think this just goes to show that every Alfa platform is different. On the Spider, I'm not sure there is that much to gain with bolt-on exhaust.
No doubt about it, Stebro makes a good product. After 10 years, this system still looks and sounds perfect. Where they fall down is customer service and delivery times, IMHO.
Joe
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02-03-2008, 11:45 AM
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Thanks, Joe... That's the kind of info that helps me in making decisions... There are several manufacturers who claim good designs, etc., but the real proof is how much better is one over the other. Of course, for a modified engine, they should all be better than stock. At $1800, which is a typical price for a Stebro, I think that one is in custom territory, which has the advantage of the exhaust being designed for one's specific engine. Case in point is Murray's ("msiert") Spider. After one of the dyno sessions it was concluded that the exhaust was an area where hp could be gained. While retaining the OEM manifold, the rest of the exhaust system was custom designed. With the new exhaust, and on the same dyno, that Spider gained 28 hp at the rear wheels...
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02-03-2008, 12:27 PM
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On the V6 I doubt the Stebro system will give more than about 3rwhp. I will dyno it and let you guys know. In any case, it's a quality system.
Greg Gordon
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02-03-2008, 01:07 PM
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Do you have an audio file perhaps? 
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according to user "Rotundus" @ gtv6.com :
"stock heads
stebro straight pipes
stebro middle
stebro rear
she sounds like this... she was loud as f..ck! "
http://www.ozan.ca/ozansgtv6sound.mp3
Any questions?
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02-03-2008, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Gordon
On the V6 I doubt the Stebro system will give more than about 3rwhp. I will dyno it and let you guys know. In any case, it's a quality system.
Greg Gordon
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Thanks, Greg. I have to agree that quality is very important, especially when one wants to have something that will last a long time.
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Originally Posted by PietereQ
according to user "Rotundus" @ gtv6.com :
"stock heads
stebro straight pipes
stebro middle
stebro rear
she sounds like this... she was loud as f..ck! "
http://www.ozan.ca/ozansgtv6sound.mp3
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That is a great sounding system...
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02-03-2008, 03:33 PM
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I can vouch for the quality of the Stebro exhaust, I purchased a cat-back around 10 years ago (when the CAN$ was about .80 US). I had compared to stock, Ansa, and Daytona. The main reason for my decision was 1) because it was SS. and 2) because it was one of the least expensive (~$350US if I recall correctly. Incl. customs broker fees). I ended up having to replace the two pipes coming off the back of the cat, so I ended up around $700.00 installed.
At that time they only had the round tip (2.5") instead of the oval. I wasn't that impressed with the sound though. Kinda "hollow" and no gurgle. A lot of sound was transmitted through the floorpan when pressed, but became quiet at equalibrium. Also, the center section was round, instead of going flat-ish aft of the center can. So, I was scraping it all the time on ramps, and speed bumps (it had shankle lowered rear springs). I think if I were to do it again, I would look harder at the Daytona FAZA This brand looked a lot like the Ansa, but supposedly with thicker tubing/walls (10yr guarantee). Warning! their website is, well, " antiquated".
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Reason: change 500 to 350
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02-03-2008, 03:55 PM
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...I think if I were to do it again, I would look harder at the Daytona FAZA This brand looked a lot like the Ansa, but supposedly with thicker tubing/walls (10yr guarantee). Warning! their website is, well, " antiquated".
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Have you contacted FAZA lately? I ask because the last time I did, not quite a year ago, I heard the sad news that Al had suffered a stroke, and had a long recovery ahead... The business of course, is now a second priority...
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02-03-2008, 06:54 PM
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That sux, one more supplier off the map. Too bad, we need more entrepreneurs like him. Gosh, 44 years! One has to wonder if Al Gore asked him to pilot the very first web page...
Well, I don't see anything wrong with the stock set-up (except for the ugly rear muffler). I figure I have two options.
1) Remove stock center and rear, replacing the center with a flowmaster 40 series 2-in/1-out and fit an oval side out.
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2) Remove stock rear muffler and replace with a cherry bomb glass pack and dual dtm tip coming out center rear.
-I'm leaning towards this option (already have the chrome dual tip DTM). Though I do like the FAZA Universal 014.
FYI - That clip that PietereQ posted is probably not accurate for road cars in the US. My Stebro system didn't sound anything like that. Guess that's what you get when you eliminate the catalytic converter. Haven't these people heard of global warming? 
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