Mid-Engined GTV6!?

[superloaf]

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Originally Posted by Potenziato I don't know if it's obvious but the "Durocco" has two 16V engines. This guy copied this idea from VW. They built a prototype in the 80's with two engines.

[beatle_bayly]

Mid Engine 'Fetta ? Easy, build a spaceframe chassis as a mule to get all the mechanicals worked out, then find a rustly 116 to convert. You will need a lot of framework added to thge chassis anyway as that rear firewall (behind the rear seats) is a major structural component and the main reason the 116 never got fold down rear seats.

As to the Alfetta Sports Sedan, this was accomplished well before the 'Ricciardello' car. Tony Edmonson ran one in the early '80s winning (IIRC) 3 championships on the trot. This car was so good he crashed badly during one season but had enough points to win that year, and after 6 months in hospital gettin his burns attended to, came back mid season and won that year too !!!!! I have a magazine article somewhere and I think it says that his Chev engined Alfetta actually retained the Alfetta transaxle

Biggest issue with the car was that the flywheel sat right in line with the drivers body.

Giocattolo: Story as I heard it at the time has it that the Alfa Sprint 6C concept needed trialling, and Australia was chosen as the market. The bodies and major componentry was to be shipped to Oz, assembled, and sold locally thru Alfa dealerships and badged as Alfas. Complications with imports/governments saw the project drag on and Alfa got cold feet.

The project was resurrected using local 5L GM V8 power and the whole rear suspension was completely redesigned. Cars were sold, but the company (The Toy Shop - Paul Halstead) had issues so moved north to Queensland, eventually going broke. The QLD Police tested a couple of cars as highway patrol interceptors !

As far as I'm aware, the sole Alfa Sprint 6C remains in the AR Museum

[beatle_bayly]

BTW, Alfa already has/had a twin engined car, so nothing new there

[alfahaka]

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Originally Posted by daz I remember a couple of years ago a guy had a twin engined 164 one in the front and one in the back It was at the national alfa day here in the UK .Anyone remember the same car?I seem to also recall he said it was a bit of a handfull and after all his edfforts resigned himself to the fact his time would have been spent more wisley had he tuned the one

[beatle_bayly]

Here's a spaceframe chassis using a 'Sud engine and transaxle in mid-mount configuration.
http://www.philipstorr.id.au/sirius/sirius2.htm

Might have some relevance to a mid-mount 116 project. It would seem that retaining the dedion simplifies matters somewhat, though getting the V6 low enough may be problematic.

[gt601]

Found a video on youtube of the twin engined 164 at a hill climb. Holy crap that thing really seems to scoot!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciElgEpQNFU

Paul

[junglejustice]

And getting back to the original topic of this thread, it's funny to note that the subject of a mid/rear-engined GTV6, has now also been raised over on another forum...

[5yearplan]

Sorry, I am the culprit there. I would really like to make that my next project, when money permits

[sh0rtlife]

if you used the entire front suspension and engine/trans out of a 164 the swap would be a cake walk...ALOT of cutting and ALOT of re-enforcements but by all means not all that hard...especialy if you can pull the front frame rails out of the 164 when you pulled the suspension...insureing everything stayed straight

my original plans for my project was to take the 2.5turbo and front suspension from a dodge caravan and mount it all in the rear of my lloyd

only problem with a mid or rear engine car is the SERIOUS lack of weight on the nose makeing the car very loose up front......the better solution would be to bolt the 2.5 v6 right to the stock transaxle ...but a gtv6 is to short for this...a millano it would fit tight.........course our transaxles are toooo weak

[5yearplan]

Well if you could lighten the car by 500lbs or so... Then add a giant gas tank int he front with 300 lbs or so in the front clip and bumper it would even out

[Gabor K.]

They did the same thing with the Alfasud Sprint, which is a smaller car, so making a mid engine GTV6 should not be impossible. Matter of fact there was an Australian GTV6 with a mid engine V8. I think the only limiting factor is money!

A Sprint V6 page:

El 6C es el Sprint que jamás compitió

[beatle_bayly]

Yes, however the Giocattolo does not use Alfa engine or drivetrain, though I believe a lot of the front suspension and steering is retained.

I'm sure the the Alfa 6C project didn't use an Alfa transaxle either (corrections welcome here).

[sh0rtlife]

yeah i dont think either did ..i belive they used something more along the lines of the porsche type where the actual gear box is BEHIND the axles....gearbox infront of the axles wouldnt allow room for the front seats

somewhere ive got the naked pic's of the giocattolo and recall the front half being basicaly stock but the rear was a F1 style full indepented rear suspension

here we go
Giocattolo

[beatle_bayly]

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yeah i dont think either did ..i belive they used something more along the lines of the porsche type where the actual gear box is BEHIND the axles....gearbox infront of the axles wouldnt allow room for the front seats somewhere ive got the naked pic's of the giocattolo and recall the front half being basicaly stock but the rear was a F1 style full indepented rear suspension

[sh0rtlife]

considering the lack of pic's on the net...if you do..take as many pics as you can