Mid-Engined GTV6!?

[Gabor K.]

Subtle: No, that is not correct! There has been a long time speculation that the Montreal originally "was intended as a mid engined car, but that the plan was abandoned because of time shortage". That was only a rumour. One of the constructors(Busso) was interwiuved about the Montreal project and he definitevely killed that rumour! The car was never intended as a mid engine car! The side vents were only for styling and ventilation! He also mentioned that the dream combination was the V8 in the transaxle GTV, the GTV8. But alas it was never produced in quantity.

Darryl: Interesting your info about the Ricciardello GTV. Photos of the technical solutions would be welcome. As I know the car is not raced any longer and Ricciardello has moved to another brand. Maybe the car is for sale or used in lower class racing?

Some additional detail photos of the car:

[TorW]

According to Marcello Gandini (the designer), the Montreal was never considered with anything but a front engine.

The prototype engine was a straight four from a Giulia TI. Busso proposed the 33 Stradale engine for the Montreal, since the 33 Stradale project was effectively dead at that time, and the reason the the 105.33 project in the first place was to make a GT that could compete sales-wise in the Fiat Dino and the 246GT-class of cars. It should also be mentioned that in Luigi Giuliani's book "Alfa Romeo Montreal", it's briefly mentioned that Autodelta built a couple of experimental GTAs with V8s in '66/'67. Busso no doubt knew about it.

The bigger V8 is the reason for the production Montreal being so different from the prototype.

Noone really knows when the V8 decision was taken, but when the prototypes were sent to Montreal, they already had dual exhaust pipes!

[junglejustice]

OK, NOW YOU THREAD HIJACKERS HAVE ASKED FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!

If you absolutely MUST use a Monty to do this mid-engine conversion, then here is what you do with the wonderful little V8 after you rip it from the Montreal...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...26015bb368.htm

[Balocco211]

Is it true Henry Ford used to "tip a fifth" every time he saw a Ford grafted with an Alfa V8?

[Gabor K.]

Not schocked at all JVR, this video has been around in the Montreal Forum. However there would be a better use of this engine in 3L form in the 116 GTV body.

On the mid engine GTV6 matter, please go ahead and let us see the results. Personally I would be quite happy with a "desaxé", dry sump engine, but thats my idea. Jay Leno would say, Ah that would be fun,....Ok lets do it

[Luis]

Sprint 6C

Is the way.

[5yearplan]

That's a sweet car!

[daz]

I remember a couple of years ago a guy had a twin engined 164 one in the front and one in the back It was at the national alfa day here in the UK .Anyone remember the same car?I seem to also recall he said it was a bit of a handfull and after all his edfforts resigned himself to the fact his time would have been spent more wisley had he tuned the one

[junglejustice]

That same man is now working on a 3-engined 6-wheel car...

[daz]

What is the advantage of having a twin engined car although you get twice the power i should imagine twice the traction but surley speed wise they can only perform as well as each other so you not going to get twice the speed so in your opinion what would be the advantage.( i know alfa tried it in one of the earlier race cars

[5yearplan]

The idea is that the engines split the load, instead of one engine running at 100%(well, 70-80 if you're driving the crap out of it) they both run at 50% load. Making the car weigh virtually half. Honda boys do it alot, helps make up for the lack of torque.

[junglejustice]

Jeeze - how do we keep going off in tangents like this... (I guess that we are talking about weird creations and there are no forums for that...)

Single engine - mid - GTV6...

[daz]

mid engined montreals gtv6s sud sprints ford pops with monteal v8. weird creations? you started it

[superloaf]

you guys are gonna love this:

www.durocco.com

ever since i saw what this guy did, i've been dreaming of getting a sawzall & welder & putting an alfa v6 in the middle of a scirocco. of course, a mid engine alfetta would seem easier as maybe you leave the TA in place & just shorten the driveshaft. not sure if that would work or if there's enough room. and with a scirocco, you'd definetily have to adapt the tranny & driveshafts.

anyways, that is genious how he used the subframe from a golf 2 and turned it around for the rear suspension.

also, make sure you check out the videos--they're great!

[Potenziato]

I don't know if it's obvious but the "Durocco" has two 16V engines. This guy copied this idea from VW. They built a prototype in the 80's with two engines.

http://www.driversfound.com/scirocco/history/bimotor/

So how about a twin engine GTV6?