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Hi Gabor,
Alfa club member Tony Ricciardello races this in our sports sedan/gt class of racing.
He has maybe 3 or 4 national titles in this car. I think also that a previous owner also had 2 or more titles.
This class is a sillhouette class where the general cabin part of the car has to be original shape but most other things are free. Chassis are tubeframe type with fabricated suspension.
Engines are up to 6.0lt. Chevrolet based units are most common with Motec systems etc.
Alfettas were used by three or four drivers in the early days when the gearbox had to be in the same end of the car as manufactured. Then they used Hewland F5000 units.
I think this car is lucky to have survived many years of racing. The Italian family background keeps them interested to keep on running this 'Alfa'.
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05-09-2006, 05:49 AM
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Appreciate your input, Vince! It seems that the rule about the gearbox placement is still in effect as I have heard that this car has mid engine placement.
I have seen Tony Ricciardello answering on internet Forums before. Is there any chance to get in contact with him to hear the story about the car? The intention is go get material for an article about the car.
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05-09-2006, 06:20 AM
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I talk to him from time to time, I may have his number around.
Google his name,- not that I've tried, but you may find something useful.
Vince.
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10-13-2006, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GTVke
I'm very , very intrested in that Autodelta copy .........
I also heard some prices from parts that Luigi Racing ( crossmember with regulators for torsions and lower A-arms ) used on their cars and I aggree with you , very expensive .
It sure make sence , using this tube in Ergal would give a better unsprung weight ( correct me if I'm wrong ) but would it cope with the constraints ?
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If you sent me your snail mail address, I will send you a photocopy (6 pages) unless there is too many requests.
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Autodelta rallied an Alfetta GTV with a 3.0 litre V8 engine, derived from the 2.6 litre V8 of the Alfa Romeo Montreal coupé and sharing the same mechanical fuel injection by Spica. It had been suggested to produce 400 roadgoing versions of this model for homologation but this plan was abandoned as well.
In 1980 the Alfetta GTV Turbodelta was already homologated in FIA Group 4, since the required number of production cars had been built. A racing version was campaigned in rallies, but once more the effort was abandoned after a single season, despite scoring a win at the Danube Rally.
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those first few pictures look awsome what the gtv should have been initially the dash looks like a sud sprint
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I used to work with a bunch of guys that built the origonal Tony Edmenson Alfetta sports sedan. They decided to use the Alfetta because it of the transaxle. One of the few rules was the use of a transaxle only if the origonal car had one. A while ago I was talking to the main guy who built it and asked him what car was the basis for the race car. He said it was an old rally car called a GTAM. When I told him how rare this car was he told me the car was very tired and took the anglegrinder to it quite happily. This car was later destroyed in a race crash and all that is left of it is the torque tube that joined the chev V8 to the Hewland. And that tube is now a stand for a tube bender in the workshop.
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I used to work with a bunch of guys that built the origonal Tony Edmenson Alfetta sports sedan. They decided to use the Alfetta because it of the transaxle. One of the few rules was the use of a transaxle only if the origonal car had one. A while ago I was talking to the main guy who built it and asked him what car was the basis for the race car. He said it was an old rally car called a GTAM. When I told him how rare this car was he told me the car was very tired and took the anglegrinder to it quite happily. This car was later destroyed in a race crash and all that is left of it is the torque tube that joined the chev V8 to the Hewland. And that tube is now a stand for a tube bender in the workshop.
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It had both a 16v engine and an 8v GTAm type on carbs as options. I still have the 8v head and some other engine parts. I did have the close-ratio transaxle until about 10 years ago (memo to self: kick self again!). The good part about that is a guy from QLD is building a replica Gp4 and the original transaxle will be used in it. I'm currently finish-machining a new replica GTAm head, valves, cams and pistons/monosleeve for it.
The rest of the of the original Gp4 running gear was parted out to various race cars.
Great shame another special car was lost.
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Vince, with your knowledge to these cars: There has been some speculation about the brake systems of these rally cars, GTV 2000 and 3000(GTV8). Did they indeed have the same brake system as the GTV6 Gr. A racer, that is the balanced twin caliper system from AP Racing in front, and four pot calipers ventilated in the rear? The AP system appeared on the market in 76/77 so the rally cars may well have had this brake system, but what is your knowledge about this?
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Vince, with your knowledge to these cars: There has been some speculation about the brake systems of these rally cars, GTV 2000 and 3000(GTV8). Did they indeed have the same brake system as the GTV6 Gr. A racer, that is the balanced twin caliper system from AP Racing in front, and four pot calipers ventilated in the rear? The AP system appeared on the market in 76/77 so the rally cars may well have had this brake system, but what is your knowledge about this?
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From what I have seen, the GT/GTV 4cylinder cars had vented four pot AP calipers both front and rear, the fronts being slightly larger than the rears.
I don't know about the GTV8.
The twin caliper system as used on the later GTV6 GpA cars seemed to be a direct derivative of the system as used on F1 cars around '78/79 when ground effects were starting to place some serious demands on contempory (pre-carbon) brake systems. I don't recall seeing it used much earlier, although this is possible, but I've never seen it used on the older series of Alfetta GT/GTV cars.
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04-14-2007, 07:22 AM
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Thanks for clearing up that, Vince!
About the twin caliper front system of the GTV6 Gr.A cars, you are right. They came from Formula 1 that time, and the whole system is still to be had from AP racing in their "Historic" program.
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when The Alfetta GTV8 " la bomba" rally car was developed by Autodelta, it was deemed to fast and the head of Fiat/Lancia rally asked Chiti to withdraw the car fearing it would would "dominate rallying as it was faster then the Lancia stratos which dominated at the time , they alos feared that the car was too powerful as happened during the later Group B era. The engne was not based on a Montreal engine but was a version of the tipo 33 with a flat plane crank running up to 10,000 rpm
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when The Alfetta GTV8 " la bomba" rally car was developed by Autodelta, it was deemed to fast and the head of Fiat/Lancia rally asked Chiti to withdraw the car fearing it would would "dominate rallying as it was faster then the Lancia stratos which dominated at the time , they alos feared that the car was too powerful as happened during the later Group B era. The engne was not based on a Montreal engine but was a version of the tipo 33 with a flat plane crank running up to 10,000 rpm
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I would think that the usefullness of a 10,000 rpm rally engine would be rather dubious, even if it did have a truckload of horsepower. I also reckon that the transaxle would be the safety-valve against it "dominating" rallying!
Somehow I don't think Chiti would have just brushed aside certain victory.....
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