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Seinfeld crash, but ok driving 1967 Fiat BTM

Sucks but glad he's a good driver. Failed brakes are bad news...


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Isn't that a dino coupe? What is a BTM?
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Isn't that a dino coupe? What is a BTM?
Yes -
Brake (and/or) Tire Malfunction.

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Never heard of a BTM, maybe it means "Bertone Model" perhaps? OOPS, EDIT just saw Nicola's reply

The pic is a Dino coupe, nice lines...

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Btm ???

I know for a fact that he owns an 850 2 door sedan like this one , because there was a blue one for sale at Woodley park in 06 and the seller said that he sold it to Seinfeld . Here is a sample photo.

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Nick -
I was being sarcastic - Bertone Model sounds more reasonable, but then again, who knows?

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faulty brakes - weird.

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This actually demonstrates a problem with rich, but under-educated car guys who now own old and fast cars. A 1967 FIAT Dino Coupe has a single-circuit brake system without ABS. The correct tires are rather thin early-style radials. These cars are NOT 2008 Mercedes' with ABS, 45 series tires, airbags and lots of warning lights.

Rich folks have many cars and believe they should be able to just jump in them and go! Unfortunately, in so doing, they don't know their cars well, they don't check the brakes, test the tire pressures, or 'feel' the car before they go for the gusto. That is an invitation to disaster!

Folks, if you're going to drive an older car...learn how to drive it like we did in the old days. Walk around the car before you drive it...check the air in the tires, the fluid levels, etc. Check the brakes when starting out. Make sure the handbrake works!

I'm glad that Mr. Seinfeld is alive and well...but it would have been better if he would have avoided this mishap in the first place!

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Isn't that a dino coupe? What is a BTM?
I have an original copy of the 1967 World Car Catalogue published by the Auto Club of Italy and I can't see any Fiat listed in that book called a BTM. At least not in the title blocks. I haven't gone through the detailed text for each of the models though.

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Logical??

Seems the most logical explanation is
Bertone
Torino
Maranello

referencing the designer and location and then the location of the engine constructor

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This actually demonstrates a problem with rich, but under-educated car guys who now own old and fast cars. A 1967 FIAT Dino Coupe has a single-circuit brake system without ABS. The correct tires are rather thin early-style radials. These cars are NOT 2008 Mercedes' with ABS, 45 series tires, airbags and lots of warning lights.

Rich folks have many cars and believe they should be able to just jump in them and go! Unfortunately, in so doing, they don't know their cars well, they don't check the brakes, test the tire pressures, or 'feel' the car before they go for the gusto. That is an invitation to disaster!

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I'm glad that Mr. Seinfeld is alive and well...but it would have been better if he would have avoided this mishap in the first place!

Everything I have heard about Seinfeld points to him being an experienced driver. I understand he has a fair amount of track time under his belt.

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Everything I have heard about Seinfeld points to him being an experienced driver. I understand he has a fair amount of track time under his belt.
Well that could very well be. It still does not excuse him from having one of his cars in such poor repair and having to bail that way because of a mechanical failure. He has the money to pay people to take care of his cars and if he has racing experience then he should know to check his cars out completely before driving them...especially older cars with single-circuit brakes.

The only possibility of a catastrophic brake failure without any prior warning (that I know of) would be a brake line failure, where all the brake fluid would leak out at once. Typically, these older cars also have a separate mechanical emergency brake which works on the rear wheels and the cars are manually-shifted. I have brought many cars down from speed with downshifts and no use of the brakes. I have also used emergency brakes to stop a car without drama.

I don't know what the road conditions were or what his speed was, but he was probably driving too fast for the conditions of the roads and/or his car.

He may be a good comedian (not my favorite, but everybody has different taste), but he had to go through a bad situation which, while it fortunately did not injure anyone...very easily could have killed him or some innocent people sharing the road with him.

Brake failure in an older car is not just a 'forgiveable' offence. His insurance will investigate, I am sure!

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Jerry Seinfeld has more experience driving old cars (and fast) than most of will ever have.
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Yeah and you can't believe POX news when they say brake failure.

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