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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-15-2012, 08:27 AM Thread Starter
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pretty darn pissed the topic got removed.

how can this topic not be related to the future of the marque?

populist rules for the worst. Wasn’t it possible remove the offending language or post but why kill the entire thread?

Ive been a BB member for quite a few years now, i dont recall if i was ever disappointed as this with the forum.

where's simon when we need him?
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pretty darn pissed the topic got removed.
The topic was not removed. The thread was locked because of hate speech and personal attacks.

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how can this topic not be related to the future of the marque?
There are several other threads with the same topic. In my opinion, it's the same as "Alfa's return to the USA" threads, the same thing talked about over and over and over and over and over and over again. Like "Groundhog Day."

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populist rules for the worst. Wasn’t it possible remove the offending language or post but why kill the entire thread?
Some posts were deleted, but the hate speech and off-topic rants continued.

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Ive been a BB member for quite a few years now, i dont recall if i was ever disappointed as this with the forum.

where's simon when we need him?
Things change. Some long-time members were invited to become moderators (in addition to myself, I'm aware of Roadtrip and Papajam) and we discuss actions to be taken in a separate subforum. I can't speak for others, but I believe all of us don't like to intervene but sometimes we have to -- especially when posts are reported as being not work safe or hateful.

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It is cautionary note that one hateful "behaving" bomb thrower got that thread closed. He achieved his end. Seems like deleting his posts or "restricting" his speech after a suitable reminder/warning (given) might have been a less draconian solution. As is, anyone who dislikes a thread's topic or direction just has to throw in a few ugly barbs to get it shot down. The road to serfdom is wrought with gatekeepers. Just a thought.

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The topic was not removed. The thread was locked because of hate speech and personal attacks.

There are several other threads with the same topic. In my opinion, it's the same as "Alfa's return to the USA" threads, the same thing talked about over and over and over and over and over and over again. Like "Groundhog Day."


Some posts were deleted, but the hate speech and off-topic rants continued.


Things change. Some long-time members were invited to become moderators (in addition to myself, I'm aware of Roadtrip and Papajam) and we discuss actions to be taken in a separate subforum. I can't speak for others, but I believe all of us don't like to intervene but sometimes we have to -- especially when posts are reported as being not work safe or hateful.
The way I see it the original poster and aldo are presumably from Italy. despite the bitter rants from one of them , I reckon they would have better insight of the current state of the Italian automakers than most of the alfa owners on this board that are driving 30-50 year old hobby or race cars. as much as i enjoy reading post of the old timer enthusiast i learn very little of whats going on with the companies today. Locking it is effectively killing the thread.

I don’t think this topic is the same as “alfa returning to usa”. I have limited interest in that. From my understanding Alfa already returned to the usa on a limited base’s with the 8C through a different network. I do know of colleague currently working on alfa’s today here in the ole usa. Plantmojo hinted of the many foreigners behind the curtains of the Italian auto industry. Contrary to what many on the bb here wants to think as alfa’s are purely Italian cultivated cars. He is referring to bangle, davis and robinson whom he had left out…all American born running the italian studio’s. I used to work for one of them in italy.

I suggest Remove or band the offender for a limited time. The approach to lock the thread is much like solutions of sawbone civil war doctors or the TSA handling of airline passengers.

For the people that thought the thread was "That rumor would be wrong Lets move on", “not true and not wanted” and suggested it deleted… DON’T CLICK ON THAT THREAD. nobody is making you read it. Leave for the rest of us that are interested. I don’t watch American Idol or Fox news but I hardly want to censor it… I just turn the channel.

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there is really no need for volkswagen thread here, no plans for Alfa sale

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I missed all of the fun on that thread. So, I'm subscribing to this one.

I am glad to see there are more moderators.
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This will be short because I am incapable of long post.

I simply stated that that people from Italy and Germany are different and the automobiles they produce are very, very different.

You might think otherwise but you cannot have an Italian car which is overseen by the Germans masters.

They think differently.

I might have thrown in a few nazi slurs to make my point but only because I have passion for the Marque.

My apologies to milktoast members who skin is so thin.

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By all means continue the discussion on VW and Alfa on this thread.

Please just do so in a respectful, constructive, and gentleman-like manner. Gentlemen/Ladies can hold very strong differing opinions without being mean-spirited.

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