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1969+/- ATE caliper cores rear and front

I live in New Zealand, and want to order a set of rebuilt calipers from the USA. But the core charge is $80 each for $45 units. Sending my cores from New Zealand is horrendously expensive, almost as much as the cores, and its complicated to have someone take them as luggage since the vendor will not receive them until after the rebuilt calipers are sent to me.

Does anyone have any old cores that are not being used, but are rebuildable that can be sent as cores?


I can make arrangements for the postage (actually the vendor sends a pre-printed docket)

The following cars used the same calipers:

Rear Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994

Front Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994
PORSCHE 912 1976

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have you looked at classic alfa. core charge is less, but caliper price is higher

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have you looked at classic alfa. core charge is less, but caliper price is higher

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Hi Ian,

Rebuild in NZ NZ$750 for front and rear. Add $110 for pads.
Classic Alfa NZ$713 for front and rear (not including core charge or shipping)
Rockauto NZ$260 for front and rear (not including core charge or shipping)

That is a huge difference, and the comments on the rebuilder are favourable.

Hopefully, someone in the US will have some old calipers kicking around that are rusted, but good enough for cores.

Here is a screen shot. The $80 core charge per caliper is refundable. US$326 (NZ$453)for four rebuilt calipers plus pads.


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I live in New Zealand, and want to order a set of rebuilt calipers from the USA. But the core charge is $80 each for $45 units. Sending my cores from New Zealand is horrendously expensive, almost as much as the cores, and its complicated to have someone take them as luggage since the vendor will not receive them until after the rebuilt calipers are sent to me.

Does anyone have any old cores that are not being used, but are rebuildable that can be sent as cores?


I can make arrangements for the postage (actually the vendor sends a pre-printed docket)

The following cars used the same calipers:

Rear Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994

Front Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994
PORSCHE 912 1976

Thanks in advance
Not sure what year your car is but if a 1969 you need to be careful as some if not all 69 models had smaller front calipers than the later years; they have a different mounting holes spacing.

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Were you the one who posted about stuck brake caliper pistons?

If so, stuck pistons does not always mean the calipers are not serviceable. Since the cost to replace them is so high, why not remove the pistons and inspect them and the bores?

Many of us have rebuilt our own with good results.
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Here is something else to explore

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/spid...e-upgrade.html

Oversize Ate Calipers

front brake caliper size questions

VW used ATE brakes. Note that I'm not sure about the dimensions of the uprights on the 69- at some point there was a change, but I think it was prior to 69 and the VW Bus fronts will work on your car. Perhaps they will be more readily available in NZ.

It -looks like VW Type 3 calipers might work for the rears, but I can't find as much info on this subject.

This ad shows the spacing for the mounting bolts - that should help if you compare it to the Alfa ATE rear calipers bolt spacing

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Front-D...615-1078ec.htm

Hopefully others here will have the specifics for you

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Were you the one who posted about stuck brake caliper pistons?

If so, stuck pistons does not always mean the calipers are not serviceable. Since the cost to replace them is so high, why not remove the pistons and inspect them and the bores?

Many of us have rebuilt our own with good results.
At $750, the cost is high which is why I brought the calipers home from the local rebuilder.

But the rebuilt calipers at $48 each is lower than the price of full rebuild kits. They must have quite an operation to sell rebuilds for these prices. If I was in America, this would be a no-brainer.

I was eventually able to get all eight pistons to move but when I took out the first, I found that I will probably have to break apart the calipers to get in and sand the bores with 1000 grit paper. That means more seals and more things that can go wrong... and each thing that goes wrong means ordering a part from America or the UK. At $48 each, even with $28 each international shipping, it's a bolt-on solution.

The logistical problem is getting the cores back to the vendor without the international return postage costing more than the caliper. We get screwed on shipping out of New Zealand. If someone is flying back, I could ask them to take the cores, but even then, they are heavy when the maximum luggage weight is 23 kg. At the other end, I have to impose on the traveller to drop them off for domestic shipping. It can be done, but it is complicated.

So, I thought I could turn to the Alfa fraternity in the US to see if anyone had any old calipers sitting in their garage that are frozen and surplus. It is the easiest way to do it, if someone has them. If not, I'll see what other options I have.

Hopefully someone will reply saying they have some extra cores... the rears are the worst

As you can see from the one I cracked open, it appears that water must have sat at the bottom and rusted the outer portion. It is rebuildable, but it is not an easy job.

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I would not put Rock Auto brake calipers on my car. Who knows who rebuilt them and how it was done.
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Guys be careful when you post opinions about suppliers. The Alfa calipers Rock Auto sells look like they are done by Centric- one of the biggest and most experienced in the rebuilding business owned and staffed by car enthusiasts (including Alfas) I and many others have been using their stuff for decades.
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I have bought 4 front calipers from Rock and have no reason to think they are not a good product but there problems with the business side of it that developed as the deal went along.

I placed the order from Canada using my USA dollar credit card and had the 4 fronts shipped to Florida

All good so far. Then I found out that they had shipped from multiple warehouses and the cores had to be returned to source. Then they refused (they said impossible) to issue me the return cost voucher because my us bank credit card had a Canadian address.

I salvaged some the core cost on 3 by jamming them into a flat rate box and return mailed from Florida at my expense.

So while Rock auto is likely very good for USA lower 48 states. Maybe not a great plan for the rest of us.

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Sorry to hear about that Ken, just to be clear, my comments relate to Centric. I personally have never had any dealings with Rock Auto.
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I live in New Zealand, and want to order a set of rebuilt calipers from the USA. But the core charge is $80 each for $45 units. Sending my cores from New Zealand is horrendously expensive, almost as much as the cores, and its complicated to have someone take them as luggage since the vendor will not receive them until after the rebuilt calipers are sent to me.

Does anyone have any old cores that are not being used, but are rebuildable that can be sent as cores?


I can make arrangements for the postage (actually the vendor sends a pre-printed docket)

The following cars used the same calipers:

Rear Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994

Front Calipers
ALFA ROMEO BERLINA 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO GT VELOCE 1969-1974
ALFA ROMEO SPIDER 1969-1994
PORSCHE 912 1976

Thanks in advance

I would be looking for a more reasonable rebuilder closer to home. Someone on this bb must have some leads for you. Maybe a post in a different forum will draw more attention.

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You must get the calipers with the "pin" in them and the matching pistons. If you install the later calipers without all this stuff (ie. no pin, etc.) your master cylinder will not push enough fluid to work correctly.

Good luck, but it amazes me that you are so not willing to just rebuild your own calipers yourself. The seals are cheap and available and there is nothing simpler on a car than a brake caliper, absolutely nothing. You could have all 4 rebuilt in 2 hours (max) and brakes bled in another 30 minutes. Sure they won't be painted or plated but otherwise will be perfectly serviceable.

The $750 for rebuild in NZ must be bead blasted, plated, stored over night in the rebuilders bed with his wife carefully caressing them, slowly put together in a vacuum sealed workshop with classical music playing ... total BS price for concours only.
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I am no brake rebuilding expert but my understanding of how these ates work is that square ring seal offers a surface for the piston to slide back an forth through. so the pistons need to be in very good condition and the Grove for the ring needs to be good but the bore not so important. just clean.

easy to do your self if you can get the pistons out. or maybe $100 per caliper is reasonable for a shop to do. but no plating etc as psk says.

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I was eventually able to get all eight pistons to move but when I took out the first, I found that I will probably have to break apart the calipers to get in and sand the bores with 1000 grit paper. That means more seals and more things that can go wrong... and each thing that goes wrong means ordering a part from America or the UK. At $48 each, even with $28 each international shipping, it's a bolt-on solution.





It really is a simple job

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