What racecar is it ?

Alfa-GT · #1 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 12:55 AM

Who knows it ? I've searched many libaries etc. and found nothing.

This picture was taken in 1982 at an Oldtimer Grand Prix in Germany:

carlo · #2 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 05:45 AM

Check out this thread Nardi-Alfa photo

Best regards
Ciao Carlo

Alfa-GT · #3 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 07:07 AM

I don't think, that it is a Nardi

It may look like one, but look here :

All Nardi-cars

There is not one looking like mine

dretceterini · #4 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 12:23 PM

Yes, it is a Nardi Alfa 6c2300

Alfa-GT · #5 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 02:32 PM

Got a link ? A source ? Another picture ?

Please & Thx

biz5300 · #6 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 04:14 PM

Looks like it could be this Nardi Alfa Pictured at 1951s coppa Toscana. Grille gone though .....No maybe not?? not quite the same..

dretceterini · #7 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 08:27 PM

That's a Nardi Alfa 6c2500 from 1948. The 6c2300 powered car is earlier. I'll have to go through my files to find further info.

Alfa-GT · #8 (**permalink**) 06-19-2008, 11:26 PM

Thx.

But what I know think - maybe it isnt an Alfa or Nardi at all ???

Pro :
- old bodywork
- big old breaks in front
- parked in a Alfa Romeo area

Contra :
- is it an Alfa badge or just a sticker ?
- new mirrors at the side
- new front indicators

A mystery

But I also keep on searching

dretceterini · #9 (**permalink**) 06-20-2008, 03:56 PM

Accoirding to information and photos sent by Peter Marshall to Het K for an article I did on Alfa specials some 10 years ago, It is a 1936 Nardi/Alfa 6c2300.

Alfa-GT · #10 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 07:20 AM

Thx - but wrong I think, because after hour searching with your informations, I finally did it - I found the car & it's for sale !!!!

the link : Nardi 2300 Special from the 50's

Quote:

Built in Eastern Germany behind the iron curtain. All the mechanics had at hand was an engine around which they constructed a car with whatever parts they could get. It is said to have had some vintage race history before Germany got reunited, but we have no documents!

dretceterini · #11 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:01 PM

Thanks! The only information I had on the car dates back almost 20 years. The only other information I was given is that the chassis number is 55076. Any more information you can find on the car would be appreciated.

iicarJohn · #12 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 04:28 PM

I have a bit of a file on this car but there are mostlly vague generalities and claims as to possibilities. Nothing in the way of real documentation has been shared.

It is not likely to be a Nardi despite the number of times that it is either claimed or proposed as a possibility. Until more information is shared ... such as the engine number (perhaps the source of the "1936" build year?) and build characteristics, as well as the claimed "iron curtain racing history", it remains an oddity that may turn out to be something as interesting as a Nardi. Not likely to be a Nardi or Nardi-Danese however.

Photos from 1990 and earlier show:

The chassis is not built in the style of a "Nardi" or Nardi-Danese, as designed/drawn by Augusto Monaco.

The engine has a single carburetor.

It has independent rear suspension of origins that are not yet determined so far as I know.

It was offered at auction 1990 in Switzerland as "Alfa Romeo Nardi 6C2500" (Advice: "Don't believe everything you read!") and was either sold or perhaps not? It was last known to be with a Swiss owner/collector/speculator.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

pan68 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-27-2008, 07:03 PM

Think it's appropriate according to the title of this thread.

Found this on a French motor forum. The roadster was named Alfa Romeo 2500SS by Carrozzeria Sicca built in 1950. (summer issue of "Motor Italia" 1950

)
As far as I know C. Sicca only built (omni)busses.?

dretceterini · #14 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan68

Think it's appropriate according to the title of this thread.

Found this on a French motor forum. The roadster was named Alfa Romeo 2500SS by Carrozzeria Sicca built in 1950. (summer issue of "Motor Italia" 1950

)
As far as I know C. Sicca only built (omni)busses.?

iicarJohn · #15 (**permalink**) 07-28-2008, 01:56 PM

This fabulous car is not yet as well described as we might like.
Engine N. 507194
Chassis N. 507240
Both numbers are almost certainly "numeri d'ufficio", that is, numbers that were assigned by the local motorization office when it was time to register the car and pay taxes.

Because the numbers do not tell us anything all by themselves, we cannot yet be certain that a 6C2500 chassis was used or even if a 6C2500 engine was used. The car may have been based on 6C2300 stuff despite the "6C2500" moniker. More data can certainly be sought based on what we know but a more important question to answer might be, "What happened to it and where is it now?".

Additional versions of this Stefano Bricarelli photo appear in Auto Capital (magazine) October, 1987 page 74 as well as Anselmi's 6C2500 book on page 197. The owner of the car was named Silvano Poli. Poli was also the head of Carrozzeria S.I.C.C.A., reportedly in Treviso by one source, in Vittorio Veneto according to Anselmi. Either way, this commercial coachwork company built one body apparently for the owner of the company and was not routinely building sports bodies. The car was licensed in Belluno for some reason.

The car was displayed August 1950 by Poli at the Concorso Internazionale Eleganze per Autovetture at Lido di Venezia (entry #112) and was awarded “Miglior vettura aerodinamica aperta”. A side view of the car at the Concorso appears in Auto Moto Sport magazine dated July, 1950. Although I have seen "1948" applied to this car's origins, no appearance has yet been found prior to August of 1950.

A "Sandro Poli" raced an as-yet undescribed Alfa Romeo car during 1951. Perhaps it was in this car?

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry