Photos TZ 1 and TZ

[dretceterini]

As far as I'm aware, the car Rolland destroyed at the Nurburgring in 1965 was S/N 109. Of course I could be mistaken, but that's what everything I have seen shows..

[tubut]

I just checked the race dates here (which is where I got the TZ2 reference from).

A couple of things are interesting:

1. It appears the TZ was officially introduced in LeMans -- about 1 month after Nürburgring. However, this page lists starting numbers #81, 82 and 83 as TZ2 entered by Autodelta, but #84 and 85 as TZ entered by other organizations. Presumably, there should be pictures of the Autodelta cars that show whether or not they were TZ2 cars.

2. On the same page, Rolland appears as driver for car both #81 (the crashed car) and car #83. Unfortunately, I don't speak Polish and cannot decipher the legend at the bottom of the page that may provide some explanation.

Since all TZ2 chassis numbers seem to be between #104 to #117, #109 may be a TZ2. I guess the question is whether #109 begun life as a TZ and became a TZ2 after this crash. Either way, the time frame of this happening would indeed explain why the chassis number is a sensitive subject matter...

[tom baker]

Tubut / Olczyk - I must be missing something - what would make the information, serial number "sensitive information" ? Did the factory 'cheat' in some way, did they try to 'bamboozle' someone - or is there a different meaning to "sensitive" ?

Gibbo - what is the threshold that one becomes the 'senior minority' ?

PSB - who was the driver and was it always that number ? Am preparing to sell and move and do not have a darkroom available at present time (miss that as much as not having an Alfa) but I have literally box's of negs from about 62 - 73, Riverside, Willow, Ponoma, San Diego, Santa Barbara, Laguna Seca, Las Vegas - SCCA, Can-Am, Trans-Am, Nascar. Some day . . . . .

[GTD]

Tubut
#81 didn't race - Rolland was apparently an alternate driver for the #83 car.

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On the same page, Rolland appears as driver for car both #81 (the crashed car) and car #83. Unfortunately, I don't speak Polish and cannot decipher the legend at the bottom of the page that may provide some explanation.

[tubut]

Tom:

Sensitivity: I don't have any details. Maybe this is just a question of "who is right?" Maybe it's a question of "who has the right car?" or "Whose car is a fake?"

Darkroom: Have you considered scanning the negatives instead of going to a darkroom?

Ruedi

[dretceterini]

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Originally Posted by tubut Tom: Sensitivity: I don't have any details. Maybe this is just a question of "who is right?" Maybe it's a question of "who has the right car?" or "Whose car is a fake?" Darkroom: Have you considered scanning the negatives instead of going to a darkroom? Ruedi

[tubut]

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Originally Posted by dretceterini Scanned negatives never turn out very well for me, but they do make special negative scanners...but they are still a bit pricey...

[Olczyk]

It was not a TZ 2, It was a TZ 1 ( who is destroyed and don t exist anymore ) but for customs accomodations, the plate of this TZ was used on a TZ 2 later to falicitate the transport between 2 country.#
Regards

[tom baker]

Getting away from 'lead' somewhat, but as to negatives - have spent a bit of time in the darkroom since '57 (20 years in USMC, 10 years teaching, 11 years on newspaper, plus my own work) and it is hard to transfer to the new technology - I miss the smell of the fixer and the yellow-brown fingernails after a few 10 hour sessions in the chemistry - plus the individuality one can bring forth from a negative onto a print. Some 'technicans' have started to come close with computers and I have started to indulge a bit - however I prefer the wet system.
Tom

[PSB]

Tom;
old #35 was the #s it ran in her last year 1966/1967, Driven By Carl Ring. Built By Steven Grizwold and Crew in Berkeley Calif..

There are some photos of it on line at Riverside and other places exactly the way you see it here. at www.Alfacentro.com as a feature under "The Foundling" Check it out you will love the photos and history. http://www.alfacentro.com/
thanks
Peter

[dretceterini]

Greta pictures. It's especially nice to see so many pre-war Alfas. Do you happen to know who owns the Bucci 6c2500 ""special" now?

[digikissed]

notes on tz2 (tz being one of the cars I would most like to have, so far just all the toy one, all the solidos except the polizia version). So, a concept - I got see a tz2 at the equinox hill climb in the 70s belinging to a well known alfa owner - very very small - does anyone know who designed it really? Was it built for a client or group?. He said it had come out of the rome show room and alfa themselves were keen to have it back; here is a lineup on my desk - spot the differenece - a touch of micky mouse?

http://www.lcdou.com/images/tz.jpg

[gtv2000]

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Originally Posted by digikissed notes on tz2 [...]- does anyone know who designed it really? Was it built for a client or group?.

[martinue]

Dear Sirs
After having compared al lot of photos I think the photo of the unpainted chassis is #750078.
Nuerburgring 1965: Since I do not see the full number on the door of the damaged car could not be this the TZ of Nicolas Koob/Honore Wagner? In the result list it is mentioned that Honore Wagner lost his life in a fatal accident. Had Autodelta works cars Shell stickers on there doors?

[George J]

The blue TZ (white nose/ no 0038) is owned by John Weinberger, a Ferrari dealer near Chicago. One of a few cars that came with knock off hubs. - George