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Old 04-03-2008, 11:33 AM
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"This extraordinary ‘time warp’ Alfa Romeo, complete and original in all known respects, is believed to be the sole surviving four wheel drive Alfa Romeo half track in the world. It has spent nearly all its life in the New England area in the USA and was understood to have been exported there from Italy when new to undertake service as winter transport in the mountains, presumably for a wealthy ski-ing and motoring enthusiast. Due to its remarkable nature the car has survived for more than 80 years in unmolested original condition. After careful checking over by well known Alfa expert Jim Stokes in England the car started on the handle with excellent oil pressure and the entire drive system was found to be operational. The car is based on an Alfa Romeo RM chassis with the normal 2-litre, 4-cylinder RM engine but which has been modified to dry sump specification - no doubt to deal with the inclines and side slopes of mountainous terrain. The track mechanism was built using Citröen patents under licence as proclaimed by a plaque on the wheeled bogey carrying the legend ‘Propulseur- Kegresse- Hinstin (Licence 48) André Citröen’. The front wheel hubs are marked with the Citröen gear motif. The drive system is based on that used in the Citröen Kegresse but incorporates the original RM transmission brake. The four-speed gearbox feeds via a propshaft into another enormous transmission case, housing a second gearbox with a dual range. The concept of the track laying system was developed by Adolph Kegresse when Technical Manager for Czar Nicholas II as early as 1910. By 1920, assisted by Jacques Hinstin, Kegresse was running the Chenilles department for André Boas and André Citröen at the Citröen Gear Company. In 1921 three Kegresse Citröens climbed the Lautaret and crossed the Mont Genevre Pass clearly showing their ability over snow. This RM and its track gear both exhibit early chassis and licence numbers. The RM chassis numbers run from 1923-1924 and are listed as 12001 – 12265; it is known that the early numbers were restricted to prototypes so ‘12023’ could date this vehicle to very early in 1924 or possibly even late 1923. At the Rétromobile show in 2005, two Sahara type Citröens were on display, one with a track mechanism licence number of 425 thereby showing how early the RM’s track gear is. This must have been a very expensive car for Alfa Romeo to build; it may have been originally conceived as a prototype for Mussolini’s army, as the possibility of a military order would have justified the expense and would also explain its original and untouched grey green livery. The lovely patinated condition of the rear seat and grab handles suggests that the car saw frequent use at some stage in its life. The state of the quaint wooden skis which are carried on front wings and designed to fit under the front wheels in difficult terrain also suggests that the car was active in snowy New England winters. However regular the use may have been, the nature of the machine makes it likely that it will have covered few miles during its entire life – this is consistent with the car’s excellent mechanical condition. This unique piece of motoring and Alfa Romeo history will excite the interest of even the most jaded collector and will no doubt find its proper place in a private museum of the highest quality or perhaps as a talking point and occasional winter transport from a spectacular chalet or mountain lodge high in the Alps or back in its old North American haunts."
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:50 AM
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Cool factor is there for sure, but I bet it sounds like a bucket of bolts being rattled around in a metal garbage can when it's on the move LOL
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Well that's about the coolest thing I've ever seen!

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Old 04-03-2008, 11:21 PM
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thanks for sharing the pics.
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:29 AM
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Anyone recognize the engine?
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:32 AM
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At 402 thousand, I'd consider it well bought
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Wow, $400k+! slower than a Ferrari, but stunningly more expensive.
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:30 PM
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I have to admit that its a pretty cool machine but what the hell would you do with the thing after you shelled out the 400k?

and how would I explain that one to my wife?
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I have to admit that its a pretty cool machine but what the hell would you do with the thing after you shelled out the 400k?

and how would I explain that one to my wife?
... and now imagine you've spent $4.2 M to purchase the GM Futurliner in the 2006 Barrett Jackson auction? It's 40 feet long!

(One of the guys who sold that thing bought a 1750 GTV during the same auction. )
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:32 PM
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I have to admit that its a pretty cool machine but what the hell would you do with the thing after you shelled out the 400k?

and how would I explain that one to my wife?
Go skiing at the cheapest ski resort you can find, of course.

No suggestions regarding explanation to wife.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:33 AM
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Anyone recognise this engine?

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Yep members,

I thought I had seen a picture of such a vehicle somewhere! I had a look in the book 'Le Alfa di Merosi e di Romeo' by Luigi Fusi, published in November 1985 by Editrice Dimensione S.

On page 222 I found a picture of a tracked Alfa. The text reads; Gennaio 1925 - Prototipo cingolato con motore RM progettato da Merosi a richiesta dell'Esercrito italiano'. The engine certainly looks like a RM.

Enclosed you will find the picture from this book.

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Same car as in the 'Limited Production (1910-1949)' on page three

Hello members,

I rediscovered another thread that covers this Alfa 'halftrack'. Have a look in the 'Limited Production (1910-1949)' section on page three. I also checked the Citroen Kegresse for comparison. Find out for yourself.
The pictures I am about to show come from the website Citroën-Kegresse-Hinstin Autochenille

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And two more pictures

And two more pictures.
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And two more pictures.
If it were not for the military uniforms, I'd say it looks like a very early Alfa club event.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:37 AM
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