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Old 10-17-2007, 02:07 AM
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Although the promotional period reference shown earlier indicated that the 256SS engine was designed for 8.0 compression but actually raced at Tobruk with a more conservative 7.8, the stated change in horsepower ratings cannot be supported by such a small change in compression ratio alone so I have to believe that the cam timing ("valve timing") was also changed as part of the package.
Of course you are right John, that compression ratio and valve timing are strongly linked for both the output and the reliability.

But somehow Stu misquoted the article above, as it gives the output of 107 CV at 4000rpm as an indication of the power curve. Above (i.e. down page 1) it states about 120cv at 4800 as peak power. I can believe that the .2 difference between the nominal 8:1 and the conservative 7.8:1 at Tobrouk could account for the roughly 5CV difference between the "nominal" 125CV of the 256 engine and the "about 120" of the Tobrouk version. As you are obviusly more prepared than I am on those very engines, I would settle if you disagree...

On another point, it's strange to me that the 2300MM bears the 915001 VIN, i.e. the #1 of the new series, if it remained a 2.3 during its early racing career. Was the VIN of that car somehow "forged" when converted to 256? Or was it more of a prototype of the new series?
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:02 AM
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Thanks John and Patrick for all your input.

As to 915001, I still think some of the 2nd series 6c2300B MMs (how Fusi refers to them) were never actually completed as 2300B MMs, and some were renumbered and actually were built as 2500s in late 1937 or early 1938, and are really T256s or pre-war SS cars.

Like John (although I'm 10 years older), I wasn't there to know...and the Alfa records I have seen (back 10-15 years ago, when Elvira was still there), didn't seem to prove anything.

I could find anything other than cursory information on the Tipo 412s (which I am obsessed with), nor the Tipo 256s.

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Old 10-17-2007, 10:02 AM
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815001 ... Not 915001

Unless there was something I missed, I believe we were speaking of Cortese's car, chassis number 815001 (number beginning "eight" rather than "nine")? So far as I know, nothing is known of 915001 other than the presumption that it was a 6C2500.

The slightly lower compression ratio of the Tobruk-Tripoli engines might indeed account for approximately 5HP/CV loss, particularly inasmuch as the likely "peak" point probably dropped very slightly in revs although that is less certain. What is quite likely is that the fuel would have had a different formulation than that which might have been thought "ideal" and there may have been a slightly different energy quotient in that fuel as well. We can only guess at the volatility and overall octane ratings. There are many unknowns.

Note also that, simply because an article proclaims these numbers for a car that is being promoted at the time, that is no guarantee of any kind that all the cars were prepared similarly. If Alfa Romeo sought to hedge their bets, they might have had a car or two run with other specifications that were simply not reported. And what Alfa Romeo was doing and promoting will not necessarily include all (or any?) of the "privateer" entries.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:05 AM
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Unless there was something I missed, I believe we were speaking of Cortese's car, chassis number 815001 (number beginning "eight" rather than "nine")? So far as I know, nothing is known of 915001 other than the presumption that it was a 6C2500.
Oops, my misreading.

Now this leaves open the possibility of unidentified early racers in the 91500x range.

John, I've gone through your listing, found it very interesting, but alas I have nothing to add. I confess I never got into any depth about 6C2500 identities.
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