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what does veloce mean?
i never knew.
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09-13-2007, 11:54 AM
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It means "quick" or "fast"... Also note that there is a root relation between "veloce" and "velocity"...
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the best translation for veloce is ‘fast’. ‘quick’ would usually translate as ‘presto’.
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09-13-2007, 06:50 PM
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... ‘quick’ would usually translate as ‘presto’.
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I definitely don't wish to start an argument about this; essentially I agree with what you say--for translating 'veloce' to our English usage. And you're certainly right; a vehicle would never be 'presto'.
It's just that, in Italian, 'quick' wouldn't generally be used as "this vehicle is quick", IMO. That's the only point I was trying to make (not very well, obviously).
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09-13-2007, 07:35 PM
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Ed,
We are in fact in 100% agreement - While in English we could say "this vehicle is quick", we wouldn't say so in Italian... It's good to know that we can clarify points without arguing....  (I'm sure you've seen some of the recent posts in some of the threads!  )
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Enrique,
Tutto d'accordo, tutto amichevole. Better to just translate it as "fast". Now, let's just hope that no one needs a translation of "sprint"...
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Veloce
Are we talking torque or horsepower? 
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we're speaking of horsepower, but then torque is cheap...
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Not to spin more horsepower er puckey, might I add "rapid" to define veloce
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Not to spin more horsepower er puckey, might I add "rapid" to define veloce
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09-16-2007, 10:40 AM
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Enrique,
……Now, let's just hope that no one needs a translation of "sprint"...
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well, sure--synonyms abound. you don't like just plain "fast"?
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I like fast, it makes me hungry. Seriously, quick and fast are good descriptive words, however rapid may have a better association with veloce, quick is associated with a very short period of time, such as a quick bat, a quick meal, etc. Whereas rapid has a association with distance, such as a rapid advance, rapid transit, etc. There a musical use of the word veloce associated with rapid. From a translation point of view, quick and fast are both single syllable words, veloce has three, rapid is a bit closer with two syllables
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...I like fast, it makes me hungry. Seriously, quick and fast are good descriptive words, however rapid may have a better association with veloce, quick is associated with a very short period of time, such as a quick bat, a quick meal, etc. Whereas rapid has a association with distance, such as a rapid advance, rapid transit, etc. There a musical use of the word veloce associated with rapid. From a translation point of view, quick and fast are both single syllable words, veloce has three, rapid is a bit closer with two syllables
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Well, it depends on what you want translation to do. Are you trying to convey the thought in the original language, or are you trying to adapt it to the second language.
If it's the latter, then for "veloce" you can use "fast", "rapid", "swift", or "quick", and I would argue (though not strenuously) that the syllables don't matter much unless you're translating poetry.
But if you're thinking in Italian (as in, what did Alfa mean when it used the term "veloce"?), then "veloce" translates best as "fast", for which other words in Italian don't really exist.
As was previous noted, "quick" doesn't work well in this context. In Italian, "veloce" can indeed translate well as "quick", as in "veloce di pensiero", which would probably translate better as "quickness of thought" than "fast thinking".
In this case, however, we're talking about cars, and in Italian you wouldn't think "the car is quick". You might indeed think "the car is rapid", bit if you did, the word in your mind would probably be "rapido". Similarly, you might think "the car is swift", bit the word in your mind would probably be "celere" (same root as "accelerate").
And that's why I wouldn't agree that 'rapid has a better association with veloce' and it's why I come back to "fast" as the best translation. But, as I say, it depends on what you're looking for in a translation; some people like to play it [you'll pardon the expression] fast and loose.
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Ed - no problem, I think of translation as adapting the meaning towards the language being translated into (please pardon my butchering of english). Alfa's are both musical and poetic, as the play is the thing, with the Alfa Romeo Giuilietta being a play on Romeo and Juliet, no labor of love is lost, or loose, using rapid as a descriptive. The best bet might be, as a propper name, no translation is needed.
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