Abarth chassis

[tubut]

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Originally Posted by dretceterini Quick translation: It was decided it insist for the moment on 3500. It is not easy for obtain from Satta that the loom, to framework, ridisegnato came from the mine; decisive was the support than Hruska gave to my request. The execution of the loom prototype had entrusted at the GILCO and for the carriage itself scelse the Touring; all that happened at December of 1953.

[Pat Braden]

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Originally Posted by tubut Yech -- This translation is even worse than my Italian! Here's how I read the significant portion of the text: I have a hunch that the meaning of the first clause may go as far as: "It was difficult to get Satta to admit that the chassis design was changed from mine." but my Italian is not good enough to be sure about that -- especially when it comes to understanding Busso.

[2000 touring sp]

Ok, if you are using the wide interpretation on Disco Volante, its open for interpretations, whom, where, when build the chassis.
My statement was on the Disco Volante, in the narrow sense. Namely the one that is pictured in the first post.
To my knowledge its pure Touring

[dretceterini]

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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp Ok, if you are using the wide interpretation on Disco Volante, its open for interpretations, whom, where, when build the chassis. My statement was on the Disco Volante, in the narrow sense. Namely the one that is pictured in the first post. To my knowledge its pure Touring

[2000 touring sp]

Ok, then I think that we can agree, that we disagree

[iicarJohn]

Perhaps, if someone were to post the original Busso text as it reads, with some of the earlier text as some explanation of the context in which the brief passage was made, I could have a go at a meaningful and contextual translation. I am not at home to look it up for myself, if I even have it in the original. My Italian is certainly not perfect, but I've been told that it is perhaps better than I think it is. It is good enough to recognize that some Italians do not speak Italian correctly and also good enough to sit and analyze my own utterances after the fact and realize that I could have said some things much more correctly or clearly. And it is possible that my Italian is not quite good enough to be of any real help? Ultimately, what we would like to do is communicate, and that ultimate desire is sometimes lost when we attempt to become too precise in translations. Some words and concepts do not translate precisely without adding important context. Sometimes that context comes from something that is not conveyed by words alone.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

[dretceterini]

The problem with stating anything as fact is that even if all the people involved were still living, each one would probably have a different perception of exactly who was responsible and who was in charge of various aspects of the project.

History is ultimately, an individuls perception and story, based on their personal agenda. In the case of the origins of the 125 Ferrari for example, we still have various accounts as to who ultimately designed the car; Busso or Colombo.

In this case, based on what I have read from various sources, it appears to me that the C-52 was an Alfa project, with the basic design and development done in house, with consultation by Touring and Gilco.

[tubut]

One problem with Busso's book is that bits and pieces of infomation pertaining to a specifric car or design are strewn over various chapters (and I agree that there seem to be conflicting recollections of various people involved in these projects).

I read through the 6C3000 CM thread again and found this post with a good summary and translation of Busso's comments on the Disco and Disco chassis, where the above mentioned passage is translated as follows:

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It was decided to insist with the 3500. It was not easy for me to convince Satta to have the chassis redesigned by my men. Hruska played a decisive role as he supported my request. The building of a prototype chassis was entrusted to GILCO, and for the bodywork we hired Touring. All that happened in December, 1953. The cost of a multitubular chassis would have been high, and production would not have gone beyond a few dozen. We then started thinking of something smaller, both for engine capacity and complexity, possibly coming back to the old scheme of a chassis with main side tubes.”

[2000 touring sp]

"It was decided to insist with the 3500. Year 1953"
I would suppose this is concerning the Spider 6C3000 PR on short chassis that was crassed before it had its debut

[Alex]

A few photos of the Colani-Abarth car mentioned in earlier posts which I took at the Bonhams auction, Goodwood, at the end of August. It attracted a lot of interest but didn't sell on the night because it didn't have the right papers (whatever that means).

[Alex]

Chassis and suspension photos. I couldn't find anyone to open up the bonnet, so no engine pics unfortunately.

[Pat Braden]

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Originally Posted by Alex A few photos of the Colani-Abarth car mentioned in earlier posts which I took at the Bonhams auction, Goodwood, at the end of August. It attracted a lot of interest but didn't sell on the night because it didn't have the right papers (whatever that means).

[2000 touring sp]

Thank you Alex for the beautiful pictures. A very unique design and car.
The problems with the papers can be related to, that this car should have been build from 2 Abarth 1000 cars, that should have been crashed on Avus during test. There was 3 Abarth build, and only one exist to day. There has been an article in Het K about these cars.
Maybe someone know the hole story.

[keith_h]

The design of this car is a thing of beauty.

Pity about the sloppy detail evident as overspray and drips under the car and what looks like electrical tape fixing something to the chassis there. Makes me wonder what shape this car is really in.

[Subtle]

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