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And here is the Abarth 1500 based on Fiat 1400 designed by Scaglioni. Did we miss any
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The car is the Abarth Fiat 1400 (enlarged to 1500cc), designed by Scaglione, and built by Bertone in 1952. No connection to the Alfa BATs, other than they were also built by Bertone.
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"Abarth's early model numbering began with the 204 Spider of 1949: that series ended with the 215A in 1956. "
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I'm still not sure which is the car that was owned by Pat, as I think we now have photos of all the Ghia bodied cars posted..
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Maybe these ones.
Abarth 215A and 216A Bertone, looks like Scaglione design
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That's is the one that is expected to be the Braden, Abarth Ghia
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That's is the one that is expected to be the Braden, Abarth Ghia
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The left in post 22-23 is the same as you post in post 30
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The left in post 22-23 is the same as you post in post 30
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Some rare photos of the Abarth Alfa 1000 that I found to have from the Torino Salon of 1958
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Thanks Boudewijn for these rare unusual pictures. And the picture quality, as usual from you, extreme good.
Take a look at the exhaust on picture 2/3, isn't that unusual way to let then go that way
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The Bugatti T252 sports car also had the same unusual exhaust pipes, facing forward. The muffler was in font of the radiator, and the exhaust tip was short and to the side of the muffler, at the front of the car. I believe on the Abarth, the exaust actually exited on driver's the side of the car.
The Abarth Alfa 1000 is much better looking without the later Coloni modifcations, shown here:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN
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On the Braden book, I do have an advantage as his widow; not only do I have the book, I traipsed all over the country shooting cars, doing research with him, meeting people, and was pro-active and supportive in all aspects of getting the book completed to be published.
The Ghia bodied Abarth that we owned looks like the picture on the left from what I can tell, considering the picture I have has no trim, glass etc., literally, a gutted rolling chassis as stated. It was right hand drive and looks most like it from what I can determine. I'll try and post a picture of it later today.
If I can manage full-page scans, I'll try and post some of the material that I've been quoting from since the book is long of out-of-print and expensive by any standard if you can find a copy.
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Ok, the car IS the 1953 Abarth/Ghia 1100...but I never knew Pat owned it. Pat identifying is as an A205 is incorrect. The only A205 is the Vignale bodied car, which I posted a link to a photo of it earlier in the thread.
I am trying to find where the Abarth/Ghioa 1100 is now, as I understand Norb McNamara sold it before the restoration was finished. I last saw the car at Concorso Italaino in 1998, and the restoration was about 50% done.
The car just above the CEAT tire ad is one of the versions of the Abarth A204 spider.
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Ok, the car IS the 1953 Abarth/Ghia 1100...but I never knew Pat owned it. Pat identifying is as an A205 is incorrect. The only A205 is the Vignale bodied car, which I posted a link to a photo of it earlier in the thread.
I am trying to find where the Abarth/Ghioa 1100 is now, as I understand Norb McNamara sold it before the restoration was finished. I last saw the car at Concorso Italaino in 1998, and the restoration was about 50% done.
The car just above the CEAT tire ad is one of the versions of the Abarth A204 spider.
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Little flickers of memory, I will almost bet that Pat sold the car to Norb because we spent a lot of time up at the Presidio with Norb and Sabra at various functions while Pat was writing the Abarth book. That was at the time that Al Cosentino was married to the very young and totally innocent Asian girl; I believe her name was Fumiko. Kay, our oldest, was less than a year old as I recall, and she was very interested in babies and just the American world in general.
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Not only did Pat own it, he recovered it and saved it in the process of writing the Abarth book. As I said, the call came to him about the discovery because it was believed to be an Alfa.
Little flickers of memory, I will almost bet that Pat sold the car to Norb because we spent a lot of time up at the Presidio with Norb and Sabra at various functions while Pat was writing the Abarth book. That was at the time that Al Cosentino was married to the very young and totally innocent Asian girl; I believe her name was Fumiko. Kay, our oldest, was less than a year old as I recall, and she was very interested in babies and just the American world in general.
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Do you know if crazy Al is still living? Last I saw him was at the Alfa convention when it was in Orange couty, and he was quite ill. I never met Fumiko.
The rumor I heard is that the car is in Florida somwhere. I'm trying to check it out...
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I wish I knew about the Abarth, because I would have bought it! Pat and I communicated from the late 60s on, but we didn't become really friendly until around 1980. My favorite memory is the same one I mentioned in the obit on Veloce Today....while returning home from Concorso Italiano, Pat fell sound asleep in the back seat, as Dave Mericle was driving his Giulia Super with his foot to the floor, across route 68...
Do you know if crazy Al is still living? Last I saw him was at the Alfa convention when it was in Orange couty, and he was quite ill. I never met Fumiko.
The rumor I heard is that the car is in Florida somwhere. I'm trying to check it out...
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On Norb McNamara, the last I heard from Pat several years before Pat's death was that Norb was quite ill and to the point that Sabra was having trouble taking care of him. So it would not surprise me if the Abarth was sold and not fully restored. I'm not sure if Norb is still living or not either. As I recall, Norb also owned the Abarth Periscopio when Pat was writing the Abarth book.
On the two tone marroon/red and white Abarth Spider Boano, somewhere I have a picture of the owner's little boy, about 5 or 6, holding Kay, as a baby, in that car in the driver's seat when Pat interviewed the father. I don't remember his name or the location other than it was in California, kind of off the beaten path and it was kind of deserty.
In trying to share and add information I some how feel that I have just escalated the price of that particular car now that it is tied to the Braden name. It will not be the first car that has garnered extra prestige and money simply because of that, however, this one is more rare than some of the others. If I unintentionally, skewed the market in that regard, I apologize, that was not my intent.
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