02-13-2006, 03:29 AM
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This topic has (unfortunately) been raised elsewhere by someone we're happy not to see anymore. But I repeat my doubts about the body of that car: wrong shape. I have no specific info, but I would say it's a Giordanengo new body on an unknown chassis.
Compare with your other pictures: the only one looking like "the real thing" is the one you identify as 004, while 003 has exactly the same shape flaws as 001. You can easily see what's wrong, for instance in the headlamps.
And I remember the 2000 article on Giordanengo in Classic and Sportscars showed a couple of Periscopica bodies piled on each other.
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02-13-2006, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Boudewijn
Some more information on the 33.3 one off coupe #023. First pic shows the car as it was at the Bonhams Quail auction of 2003 where it did not sell. It had a special CanAm body. The second pic shows #023 as it was for sale at the Coys Monaco auction of May 2004 where it was sold for $630.270. So it is clear there were 3 different bodies made for #023, this Monaco body being the first one I guess.
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02-14-2006, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gtv2000
This topic has (unfortunately) been raised elsewhere by someone we're happy not to see anymore. But I repeat my doubts about the body of that car: wrong shape. I have no specific info, but I would say it's a Giordanengo new body on an unknown chassis.
Compare with your other pictures: the only one looking like "the real thing" is the one you identify as 004, while 003 has exactly the same shape flaws as 001. You can easily see what's wrong, for instance in the headlamps.
And I remember the 2000 article on Giordanengo in Classic and Sportscars showed a couple of Periscopica bodies piled on each other.
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And as you known this topic was already raised, but it look like that nobody have interest to heard the truth about fake 33
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02-14-2006, 02:20 AM
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I met with Ed Mcdonough at Phillip Island on the weekend, he is reasonably certain that the closed car that started this thread is the Otto Zipper car rebodied. Exactly when and why it recieved the closed body is still a bit of a mystery to be investigated.
I understand that it came from Italy to Australia. So it must have returned to Italy from the US at some point for this to be correct.
Now this doesn't appear to fit in with the auction pictures on page 3 thread and Guy.A.FWIs comments above.
Any further ideas anyone ?
This closed car spent some 15 years here in Australia apparently without anyone noticing that it was 'missing'......?
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02-14-2006, 02:37 AM
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Stop the untrue comments
Here a good exemple of what nobody need
Comment by Patrick Italiano just post
"I have no specific info, but I would say it's a Giordanengo new body on an unknown chassis."
This man have no specific infos, claims that he don t known BUT would say that it s a Giordanengo body......
If you don t known, you don t known......
Now, it look like that some people (always the same) want to explain things that they don t known....
A internet copmmunity of AR is good but only if the people involve known "what they talking about"..
Me I was at Giordanengo, saw myself the cars built, saw myself the cars at a ex AutoDelta mecanic in Milano, cars new built as real cars !
But a employe who never travel and who made comments about everythings is not very positive, by collecting 1/24 models of AR don t make you a expert
And also, don t say things that you cannot prove , as it can be very expensive if you attack somebody with untrue bad comments.
Ask Simon from ALFA BB, he will confirm to you that it can be very dangerous
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02-14-2006, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Olczyk
Here a good exemple of what nobody need
Comment by Patrick Italiano just post
"I have no specific info, but I would say it's a Giordanengo new body on an unknown chassis."
This man have no specific infos, claims that he don t known BUT would say that it s a Giordanengo body......
If you don t known, you don t known......
Now, it look like that some people (always the same) want to explain things that they don t known....
A internet copmmunity of AR is good but only if the people involve known "what they talking about"..
Me I was at Giordanengo, saw myself the cars built, saw myself the cars at a ex AutoDelta mecanic in Milano, cars new built as real cars !
But a employe who never travel and who made comments about everythings is not very positive, by collecting 1/24 models of AR don t make you a expert
And also, don t say things that you cannot prove , as it can be very expensive if you attack somebody with untrue bad comments.
Ask Simon from ALFA BB, he will confirm to you that it can be very dangerous
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Philippe Olczyk
Author of the Alfa Romeo TZ book
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02-14-2006, 03:03 AM
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You are right
You are right, Mr Schaller, the matter have been close by the judgment of the 6 January 2006 Court Of Los Angeles.
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02-14-2006, 06:39 AM
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it's early and I haven't had my coffee, but I'm sure no Alfa T33 was entered in a race on Jan 6 2006 in LA, GET BACK ON THREAD, considering the lack of record keeping by Alfa and suppliers differences of opinion are expected, and respected. but lets stick to T33's, I have very little info to add to these historical threads, but I follow every one and hope that this does not become another thread with a high percentage of off-topic insulting nonsense posts.
Did get to see 1 t33 up close at the local Alfa dealer, promotional tour in the 70's, the car toured the Alfa dealers to celebrate Alfa's wins,car had no fuel injection fitted, but when I walked in the mechanics were dicussing how they might fit a temp system, Would have been a hell of a test drive 
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02-14-2006, 06:43 AM
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Book 33
Did you saw the new book about 33 Race cars ?
I suppose that buying the book will be a good help for the passionnates of 33
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02-17-2006, 07:10 PM
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Did you saw the new book about 33 Race cars ?
I suppose that buying the book will be a good help for the passionnates of 33
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02-20-2006, 05:25 AM
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IN MY OPINION, the one that was going to be done by Tony Adriaensens would have been better, but now he isn't going to do it, as far as I am aware...
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It also does a pretty good job of explaining the evolution of the models, something which has been a bit hard to get your head around in the more general Alfa books.
I guess any comparisons will have to be done if and when Tony Adriaensens does a book. It would also be more than welcome on my bookshelf.
Collins & Mcdonough did however overlook the Australian resident T33, but then we can call the score even; Tony Adriaensens overlooked the Australian resident GTAm in his book too!
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02-22-2006, 08:18 AM
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The Collins/Mcdonough T33 book is still a damn good read, with the majority of photos used being new to me, rather than the usual same old , same olds.
It also does a pretty good job of explaining the evolution of the models, something which has been a bit hard to get your head around in the more general Alfa books.
I guess any comparisons will have to be done if and when Tony Adriaensens does a book. It would also be more than welcome on my bookshelf.
Collins & Mcdonough did however overlook the Australian resident T33, but then we can call the score even; Tony Adriaensens overlooked the Australian resident GTAm in his book too!
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Tony was actually planning a two volume book, similar to the book he recently did on the Fiat8Vs and similar Siatas with Fiat 8V motors. The problem for me is that book is almost $500! I don't think that Tony will now do his 33 book, as the McDonough books is a damn good read, and Tony's book would have to sell for close to $500 if he did it. He has THOUSANDS of photos!!!
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I met with Ed Mcdonough at Phillip Island on the weekend, he is reasonably certain that the closed car that started this thread is the Otto Zipper car rebodied. Exactly when and why it recieved the closed body is still a bit of a mystery to be investigated.
I understand that it came from Italy to Australia. So it must have returned to Italy from the US at some point for this to be correct.
Now this doesn't appear to fit in with the auction pictures on page 3 thread and Guy.A.FWIs comments above.
Any further ideas anyone ?
This closed car spent some 15 years here in Australia apparently without anyone noticing that it was 'missing'......?
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Sheehan bought this car in Australia in the 80's. As he was also the owner of the Otto Zipper Tipo 33, there is confusion ....
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12-07-2008, 01:09 PM
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Here, a picture showing Sheehan in Australia at the en d of the 80's
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12-07-2008, 01:14 PM
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An advert in a GB magazine (end of the 80's)
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