02-16-2006, 11:20 PM
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Arno: I googled a bit for "cattaneo" and found some interesting information. The company that probably built the boat is Cabi Cattaneo (see web site here).
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02-17-2006, 02:42 AM
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This is a very special power boat
Hello Arno,
You have a terrific boat, very unique. I think you should contact first the municipio di lago d'iseo in order to have the list of all the cantieri that used to operate in the area of lago d'iseo.
Please make some up-dated photos of the boat.
If you have the license plate on the boat ZH4991 it means that it was registered with the lake Zurich marine authority. So, under what name and what type. Some details will help us help you. Can you also advise the number on the engine itself?
Beautiful piece of art.
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02-17-2006, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Alfa Sogno
Hello Arno,
You have a terrific boat, very unique. I think you should contact first the municipio di lago d'iseo in order to have the list of all the cantieri that used to operate in the area of lago d'iseo.
Please make some up-dated photos of the boat.
If you have the license plate on the boat ZH4991 it means that it was registered with the lake Zurich marine authority. So, under what name and what type. Some details will help us help you. Can you also advise the number on the engine itself?
Beautiful piece of art.
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Thank you for your Iseo tip. Please see my other replies under the same thread but to other members where I mentioned more details. Of course I do know all previous owners. ZH 4991 was a second number plate given. The first was Z454 which is still on the other side of the boat. Officini Cattaneo near Arese were the constructors. They still exist. I contacted them yesterday. The engine nr. is 925 297.
I shall follow-up!
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02-17-2006, 07:15 AM
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02-17-2006, 10:19 AM
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This is a great idea I did not have! Excellent news. I contacted them by return and shall inform you on the outcome. I know that one small submarine with an Alfa Romeo marine engine from the 40's has been found in the 90's and CABI Cattaneo mentions its submarine know how on the homepage.
Picco always stressed the fact that the z-drive would be an Isotta Fraschini patent and Cattaneo was one of their inventors (see history cabiattaneo.it). So everything seems to match. The question of the shipyard is still open because CABI means Cattaneo Applicazione Brevetti Industriali or Cattaneo Industrial Patent Applications and I do not think they made the wooden boat themselves. May-be they did metal boats.
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02-17-2006, 12:11 PM
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I'm sure you'll find the "MOTOSCAFO TURISMO MODIFICATO sigla M.T.M. (Dis. C.A.B.I. A. 383 dell’1.7.1941, serie IV-VII)" on
this page very interesting, where I found the picture of the 6c2500 marine engine with Z-drive. The home page of the ANAIM (Associazione Nazionale Arditi Incursori Marina) web site is here. I have a hunch contacting them for larger pictures may be worthwile.
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02-17-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tubut
I'm sure you'll find the "MOTOSCAFO TURISMO MODIFICATO sigla M.T.M. (Dis. C.A.B.I. A. 383 dell’1.7.1941, serie IV-VII)" on
this page very interesting, where I found the picture of the 6c2500 marine engine with Z-drive. The home page of the ANAIM (Associazione Nazionale Arditi Incursori Marina) web site is here. I have a hunch contacting them for larger pictures may be worthwile. |
The engine plus drive train is exactly the same as mine - with the exception of the 3 carb's and high-output ignition coil -both resulting in the approx. 120 HP and the considerably higher speed, helped by the Z-drive as well. The MTM shows a conventional drive with inclined engine.
Did you notice the name of the ship yard for the MTS? It is 'Cantieri Baglietto di Varazze' near Genova, toda'y biggest sipyard of Italy - www.baglietto.net. See "La progettazione del mezzo... venne affidata dallo Stato Maggiore della Marina alla C.A.B.I. di Milano con la collaborazione dei Cantieri Baglietto di Varazze per la parte dello scafo". But I think Baglietto was not my shipyard.
Theoretically it could also be that a MTM was back-transformed into a touring boat after the war and than sold for civil purposes..
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02-17-2006, 05:09 PM
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I thought you'd get a kick out of the dimensions, but it gets better:
About 2/3 down this page is another interesting drawing of the MTM with the Z-drive.
This site lists the number of MTM and MTM derivatives built in the 1936-1942 time frame (about 90 in total). The Galleria Fotografica shows pictures of the MTM on display at the Museo Tecnico Navale della Spezia (WARNING: Beware of the loud and awful music on that web site!). This museum may be worth visiting for comparing the engine and hull structure. And, maybe their research library can tell you how many MTMs were destroyed during the war (it appears frog-men of the 10th Assault Vehicle Flotilla " Decima Flottiglia Mezzi d'Assalto" pointed the MTM boats at a target, jumped off, and expected the mine in the MTM to explode on impact and sink the target), which may give you some insight whether your boat is a converted MTM or a more peaceful design.
And BTW: If your boat was indeed built or modified by Baglietto, it would make even more sense why it entered Switzerland via Geneva.
Isn't the Internet a wonderful research tool?
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Maybe the guys from this site have some information.
They have a section on vintage boats
http://www.vintageweb.net/ |
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Originally Posted by tubut
I thought you'd get a kick out of the dimensions, but it gets better:
This site lists the number of MTM and MTM derivatives built in the 1936-1942 time frame (about 90 in total). The Galleria Fotografica shows pictures of the MTM on display at the Museo Tecnico Navale della Spezia (WARNING: Beware of the loud and awful music on that web site!). This museum may be worth visiting for comparing the engine and hull structure. And, maybe their research library can tell you how many MTMs were destroyed during the war (it appears frog-men of the 10th Assault Vehicle Flotilla " Decima Flottiglia Mezzi d'Assalto" pointed the MTM boats at a target, jumped off, and expected the mine in the MTM to explode on impact and sink the target), which may give you some insight whether your boat is a converted MTM or a more peaceful design.
And BTW: If your boat was indeed built or modified by Baglietto, it would make even more sense why it entered Switzerland via Geneva.
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What I recall is that there were about 100 6c2500 engines built for marine use. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Hence, the 925xxx designation for the engine series separate from the automobile series.
What is frustrating is that I can't corroborate this information from any of my sources on hand. The Fusi books don't list 6c2500 marine engines and neither does Amico e Tabucci. The only thing that I can think of is that in some correspondence I have would be where this information is listed. I moved twice in June/July so who knows which box that is in!
I am hoping the Alfa archives will come up with the information.
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Does anyone know when the Z drive was first sold? Volvo Penta introduced I/O's in the late 50's. (actually invented by a Mercury enployee who Carl Kiekhefer didn't take seroiusly!) Volvo came out with the DuoProp counter rotating system about ten years ago.
Here we see the whole thing in Italy in the 40's. Facinating.
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07-14-2006, 05:54 PM
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FYI: More pictures of the boat that started this thread are now available via the 6c2500 register web site.
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07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
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Arno,
I was looking at the new 6c2500 website and found your boat! 
Interesting color of the motor. Most 6c2500 engines are black.
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