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Old 10-25-2005, 08:04 AM
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Pictures from a European Alliance. Boudewijn has done the work of converting my scans to a suitable picture, it concerns all the pictures that is set in to day. Thanks for the help
Alfa Romeo 6C3500 Super Flow Disco Volante was presented at the Touring show in 1956.
At the site Sergio Farine
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:07 AM
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@2000 touring sp, many thanks. I wrote PM and continued to read herein later
For a view of the 6C3000CM engine in race-trim, I added the following scan:

I wonder who knows the When Where and Why

And a view on the engine of #00128 with the "Coupe Super Sport Speciale" body by Pinin Farina.

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#1361 00126: Colli Coupe, 1953 LM Kling/Riess #23, 1954 rebodied by Boano and gifted to Persident J.M. Peron, the car passed several hands until it came into the hands of, again, Henry Wessels. Crashed in the 80ies, the car currently has a recreation of the Colli body, as seen in many historic events.
Rare pictures! They were taken in Milano short before the car left to Argentina. It was named to be a gift by the CGT, the most powerful trade union in Argentina. They ordered it as birthday present for the President.
But his birthday was in October and the car arrived in January 1955
In September 1955 Peron was set off power and the car was sold...

It is still not sure if Alfa recieved payment for the car


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Old 10-25-2005, 08:10 AM
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2000 touring sp,
again, you wee quicker, lol
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:11 AM
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On the Auto exhibition in Paris Pinin Farina presented Alfa Romeo 6C3500 Super Flaw 2. It stands in a pink collar with a white stripe on the site. I must have been an trilling weue
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:15 AM
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Spring 1959 Geneva Alfa Romeo 6C 3500 Super Sport Spider
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:23 AM
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It stands in a pink collar with a white stripe on the site. I must have been an trilling weue
Here it is!

Sorry for the quality but I had to reduce the image size.

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Old 10-25-2005, 08:28 AM
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#1361 00128: Colli Coupe, 1953 MM Fangio/Sala, 1953 LM spare-car #68 Stagnoli/Palmeri, 1954 sold to Pinin Farina; 1956 presented as "Super Flow" at Torino show, later that year the same car was shown as "Super Flow II" at the Paris show; 1959 on the same chassis Pinin presented the "Spyder Super Sport" at Geneva; in 1960 the last body, named "Coupe Super Sport Speziale", was presented at Geneva as well.
The car is now in the Rosso Bianco collection in Germany

Spring 1960 Alfa Romeo 6C3500 Super Sport Coupe was presented at the Geneva Motor Show.
These cars Super Flow 1, Super Flow 2, Super Sport Spider and super Sport Coupe was all build on the above mentioned chassis. Therefore it is only one left , the last, naturally, and you Americans had the opportunity to se it this or last year.
we European can se it at Ross Bianco Museum in Germany
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I realize that this is the reported history of chassis number 1361-128, but it is a little difficult to believe that one chassis had 5 different bodies on it.
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Count six if the PF body is no longer on it as suggested in a previous post.
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:08 AM
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I could not resist posting this old colour pic of the same car. Great effort Bjarke!
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:13 AM
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Count six if the PF body is no longer on it as suggested in a previous post.
... or two, if the three Pinin Farina bodies are derivitives, as I have assumed [but not studied].

The PF body has left 00128, and I'll try to post a photo from Amelia showing the underside here tonight.

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Old 10-25-2005, 10:21 AM
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... or two, if the three Pinin Farina bodies are derivitives, as I have assumed [but not studied].

The PF body has left 00128, and I'll try to post a photo from Amelia showing the underside here tonight.

--Carter
Maybe the 2 successive Superflows re-used panels or bits already on the car, but they are undoubtly different creations, so I don't see your point. And that would make three anyway as, if the PF body has been removed, that should be in order to put another one on 0128.

Please post the documents about the current chassis of that body if you can.
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What am I missing? I count 5 bodies on chasssis 00128

1) MM/LM type coupe
2) Superflow 1 w/glass front fenders
3) Superflow II
4) Super Sport Spider (looks like a big Duetto)
5) Super Sport coupe that was in Rosso Bianco
6) ??

Does anyone think that it is possible that one of these 5 bodies was actually put on the "missing" second 6c3000-C52 and not on a 6c3000CM??
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Old 10-25-2005, 10:39 AM
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Looking at the pictures of the 6C3000CM engines, we see the tubes on the cylinder head. I have always seen these as a outside part of the cooling system because the internal gallery for water was insufficient. Is that correct
and Carlos wrote:

"I'm not sure this feature also appears on the production-intended 6C3000 engine...

Or as you suspect, original internal coolant flow was not suffficient for racing, and external tubes are an addition."

The external coolant lines are a traditional design characteristic of Alfa and other Italian engine designs. They are there back into the 1930's, and the 159 drawings in Fusi illustrate the inlet and outlet water pipes as also used on the 6C3000CM.

The 1900 used a water distribution duct cast into the block on the exhaust side which channeled water around the cylinders and into the head and then a single central outlet.

What is interesting is that the drawing of the 6 cylinder Disco Volante chassis, which Fusi puts in the 6C3000CM section of his book, has a 1900 thermostat housing drawn in the center of the cylinder head.

I have not yet seen a photo of the C50 motor.

I don't know how much the external supplies to the head was a "belt and suspenders" kind of feature, and how much it was necessary as power levels increased. The 4 cylinder Giulietta engine gained separate water outlets [into the manifold, for the ordinary motors, and into a separate pipe for the the Veloce] and so the water pipes became "standard."

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Old 10-25-2005, 10:44 AM
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@2000 touring sp, many thanks. I wrote PM and continued to read herein later
For a view of the 6C3000CM engine in race-trim, I added the following scan:

I wonder who knows the When Where and Why
The 508 engine number points to 00128. But tell us more.

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