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Originally Posted by gtv2000
Back to Busso’s text: (on Merano’s victory)”For me the Merano victory’s joy was somewhat spoiled by the fact that, for understandable reasons of image, the Direction accepted that the press insisted calling my car ’Disco Volante’. The interest for a sports car, possibly with several engine capacities, was still strong […] It was decided to insist with the 3500. It was not easy for me to convince Satta to have the chassis redesigned by my men. Hruska played a decisive role as he supported my request. The building of a prototype chassis was entrusted to GILCO, and for the bodywork we hired Touring. All that happened in December, 1953. The cost of a multitubular chassis would have been high, and production would not have gone beyond a few dozen. We then started thinking of something smaller, both for engine capacity and complexity, possibly coming back to the old scheme of a chassis with main side tubes.” The first thing is the 3000PR, the second one the Sportiva. This is Busso’s own opinion on the dispute about calling “Discos” the CMs.
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Originally Posted by Busso, p.82:
La 3500 Touring andň in strada nel maggio del 1954...
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"The 3500 Touring went on the road in May of 1954..."
...and, three lines further down on the same page...
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Originally Posted by Busso, p.82:
Il 24 maggio Consalvo Sanesi uscě di strada a Monza al primo giro con la bella 6C 3000 PR (passo ridotto).
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"On May 24, Consalvo Sanesi ran off the road in Monza in the first lap with the beautiful 6C 3000 PR (reduced wheelbase)."
Therefore, it appears Busso's book refers to the "3500 Touring" and the "6C 3000 PR" as two different cars. While he makes a reference to general design principles being shared among the 3500 and the 2000 Sportiva, I didn't see any such reference to the 6C 3000 PR. Also, I haven't seen any hints for how the 6C 3000 PR came about -- or who made it.
So, my question is: Are these indeed two different cars? If not, how did the 3500 Touring become the 3000 PR ?
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01-25-2006, 06:11 PM
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So, my question is: Are these indeed two different cars? If not, how did the 3500 Touring become the 3000 PR ?
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01-25-2006, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Boudewijn
The same names keep coming up. The information I have tells us Henry Wessels and Anderloni in the 60-ies believed the 3000RP started life as a 3000 CM. It would have had a shortened (5 cm) 3000 CM chassis and that's why the name was PR (Passo Ridotto). The PR body was made by Touring. Fusi believes it was a un-numbered chassis, but according to Anderloni it would have been a renumbered 3000 CM chassis. Nobody probably will ever be able to tell how it was.
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01-25-2006, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CarterHendricks
same car. one car. different description.
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01-25-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CarterHendricks
perhaps one of them was used for the Zat-car
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remember: the two frames in the Gilco book do not physically "fit" any of the Disco Volante cars.
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01-25-2006, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dretceterini
I was always under the impression that one of them was used for the Rezzaghi car..but now it appears that was yet another chassis built by Gilco..
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01-25-2006, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CarterHendricks
The Colli Spider used a frame very similar to the C52 frame. Detailed information on that car was published in HK long before the Gilco book was published. And as I keep saying, please just look at the engine location on any of the C52 cars and compare with the engine location prescribed by the Gilco 1900 frames. The Gilco frames won't fit the Alfa factory [or Colli Spider] cars. This is easy.
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I'm not disagreeing with you; just simply wondering what the 2 chassis shown in the Gilco book were used for.
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01-26-2006, 03:39 PM
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Don't know if this picture has been posted before.
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02-03-2006, 10:13 AM
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FYI: There's information about a 1950 6C2500 SS with Gilco chassis in this thread. Could that put the discussion about the unaccounted Gilco chassis to rest?
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02-03-2006, 11:56 AM
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FYI: There's information about a 1950 6C2500 SS with Gilco chassis in this thread. Could that put the discussion about the unaccounted Gilco chassis to rest? |
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I didn't read the whole topic (I need an Aspro  ).
Nevermind, here are 2 "disc" photos I took of the Museum 6C3000 CM exposed at Rétromobile this year :
Front disc brakes :
Rear ones in-board mounted :
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02-19-2006, 10:40 AM
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Very interesting picks, as it shows , that the car is fixed with discs brakes. It is one of the open question, whether its was a part of the original concept that ran at Merano or when it was mounted on the car.
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02-19-2006, 11:33 AM
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Very interesting picks, as it shows , that the car is fixed with discs brakes. It is one of the open question, whether its was a part of the original concept that ran at Merano or when it was mounted on the car.
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02-19-2006, 03:01 PM
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Yes, originally drum brakes put against the differential and De Dion rear axle. This is a pic of the engine of #00127 at the Rétromobile.
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The big alu box linked to the stainless steel bar is for water cooling ?
That's quite an odd device.
One could believe this is for dispatching gasoline (like modern injection systems) if all these carburettors weren't here...
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