12-19-2005, 01:42 PM
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The Colli Spider is not listed in the Alfa archive.
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12-19-2005, 02:23 PM
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The Disco's had S/N 1359 and the 6c 3000 CM's 1361, but S/N 1360 does not exist. At one point it was thought the 1900 Colli Spider maybe should have had S/N 1360. Also Colli may have hoped the car would become the first of a regular series. The chassis plate is not of Alfa Romeo design. Interesting is the role of Colombo, being the designer of the chassis, because it was after all a non-Alfa project. The explanation is that Colombo in his second stint at Alfa Romeo was no longer an Alfa employee, but a free-lance advisor for Alfa Romeo. This made it possible for Colombo to do projects for others at te same time, which he did. When the C52 project failed he was thrown out as advisor together with Touring as bodymaker in favour of Colli. The Colli Spider could at the best be called an Alfa nephew.
Another interesting car is this one that in August 1962 was advertised in Road & Track by a Swede as being a Disco Volante at the price of $5200. It was described as Ex-Fangio, rebuilt by the factory. In 1963 it was owned by John Willock again. This pic is from Car & Driver of March 1963. Does anyone regognize this car?
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12-19-2005, 03:06 PM
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The Disco's had S/N 1359 and the 6c 3000 CM's 1361, but S/N 1360 does not exist. At one point it was thought the 1900 Colli Spider maybe should have had S/N 1360. Also Colli may have hoped the car would become the first of a regular series. The chassis plate is not of Alfa Romeo design. Interesting is the role of Colombo, being the designer of the chassis, because it was after all a non-Alfa project. The explanation is that Colombo in his second stint at Alfa Romeo was no longer an Alfa employee, but a free-lance advisor for Alfa Romeo. This made it possible for Colombo to do projects for others at te same time, which he did. When the C52 project failed he was thrown out as advisor together with Touring as bodymaker in favour of Colli. The Colli Spider could at the best be called an Alfa nephew.
Another interesting car is this one that in August 1962 was advertised in Road & Track by a Swede as being a Disco Volante at the price of $5200. It was described as Ex-Fangio, rebuilt by the factory. In 1963 it was owned by John Willock again. This pic is from Car & Driver of March 1963. Does anyone regognize this car?
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Too bad we can't time travel.  I would buy this and a bunch of other cars, including the Vignale Tipo 412, a Ferrari GTO that was advertised by Chris Cord for $9000, a few Bugattis, some pre-war Alfas for under $1000, etc, etc...
An even better deal would be one of the 3 Ferrari 340 Mexico coupes, that was actually for sale on a lot in Los Angeles California on Sunset Blvd, circa 1968, for $3000
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12-19-2005, 08:22 PM
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SF2 looks happier in Boudewijn's photo than in this one taken by a tourist at PF.
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12-19-2005, 11:56 PM
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Not a CM or a disco, but since Superflows are also mentioned her, I thought I add this picture I stumbled across at supercars.net.
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12-20-2005, 02:09 AM
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Another interesting car is this one that in August 1962 was advertised in Road & Track by a Swede as being a Disco Volante at the price of $5200. It was described as Ex-Fangio, rebuilt by the factory. In 1963 it was owned by John Willock again. This pic is from Car & Driver of March 1963. Does anyone regognize this car?
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12-20-2005, 07:53 AM
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Not a CM or a disco, but since Superflows are also mentioned her, I thought I add this picture I stumbled across ....
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That is a 6C3000CM [or was one]. You might enjoy reading back through this thread on the history of the Disco cars, including the 6C3000CM's, and learn how one chassis came to carry a series of closely related PF show car bodies. Notice that the PF body and the race chassis have become separate and they both will be leading separate lives. It is all an interesting part of this story.
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12-20-2005, 08:45 AM
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That's Bonnier car without headlamps fairings, or do I get old?
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12-20-2005, 08:56 AM
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Willock never owned #00125, that's why this seems a different car. Also one of the previous owners of #00125 tracked down the advertisement of this car and he should have known if it was about #00125.
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12-20-2005, 09:05 AM
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Ok, I get your point. But it really looks like 00125 in almost every detail. If it were a 1900, it wouldn't feature that (oil?) cap on the front right fender, just as 00125. And as it's a distinctive feature of the Colli coupés as well, this should be a 3000CM. I reckon that there are CM chassis missing, but how could it be that no one highlighted before that there were TWO Zagato rebodied spiders, almost identical to each other? Do you support such a theory?
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12-20-2005, 10:56 AM
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Forgive me, I have not read all the pages in this thread, but seeing the picture of SF2 reminded me that Howard Jackson of Jafco told me (in 1978) that SF2 had been found and purchased at a Denver used car lot around that mid to late 70's time.
Sorry if this is unrelated to the current thread.
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12-20-2005, 11:39 AM
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Forgive me, I have not read all the pages in this thread, but seeing the picture of SF2 reminded me that Howard Jackson of Jafco told me (in 1978) that SF2 had been found and purchased at a Denver used car lot around that mid to late 70's time.
Sorry if this is unrelated to the current thread.
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12-20-2005, 01:14 PM
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Hi Ruedi--
That is a 6C3000CM [or was one]. You might enjoy reading back through this thread on the history of the Disco cars, including the 6C3000CM's, and learn how one chassis came to carry a series of closely related PF show car bodies. Notice that the PF body and the race chassis have become separate and they both will be leading separate lives. It is all an interesting part of this story.
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Everyone: Here's a picture from a poster that Roli Kunz is selling on eBay every once in a while (see here -- where he is currently offering a couple of photos related to this thread). The picture below is probably taken by Rob de la Rive Box. According to the caption, it is from the 1959 hillclimb in Kandersteg, Switzerland. The car has Swiss license plates from the canton of Fribourg. The distorion in the picture was introduced by myself and stems from compensating the camera angle for eliminating reflections.
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12-20-2005, 01:34 PM
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Hi Carter: Thanks for pointing me back to the earlier discussion. Although I did read it then, it's only now (thanks to this most excellent thread) that I'm beginning to grasp how convoluted the history of this car really is.
Everyone: Here's a picture from a poster that Roli Kunz is selling on eBay every once in a while (see here -- where he is currently offering a couple of photos related to this thread). The picture below is probably taken by Rob de la Rive Box. According to the caption, it is from the 1959 hillclimb in Kandersteg, Switzerland. The car has Swiss license plates from the canton of Fribourg. The distorion in the picture was introduced by myself and stems from compensating the camera angle for eliminating reflections. |
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