10-10-2005, 12:44 PM
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P3 1934
Avusrennen 1934
One of the P3's was a special car. V. Jano called in a aircraft designer called Pallavicino (working for the Breda Aeroplane Company) and asked him to design an aerodynamic body for the Grand Prix car which could be built in the Alfa workshops and wich would cut wind resistance to the minimum. The result was a curious blend of curved body panelling which lent the car the appearance of a typical racing car of the nineteen-fifties, with a high tail fairing behind the drivers' head. The front suspension was carefully enclosed in a tight-fitting metal jacket, and there were curious metal tear-drop fairings which were carried on outriggers behind each of the wheels, to smooth out the airflow and reduce turbulence. Altough it looked cumbersome, Alfa's records show the treatment was effective, and despite the extra weight of the more elaborated bodywork, the improved airflow at high speeds raised the topspeed of the car to just over 175 mph, with no increase in power.
Guy Moll drove the car to victory in the Avusrennen ahead of Achille Varzi (AR P3) and Momberger (Auto-Union)
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10-10-2005, 02:09 PM
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I believe the car is a factory built recreation.
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10-10-2005, 02:26 PM
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I was just browsing trough my pictures when I found these. Searched for a little history and posted it. To my knowledge it only ran once, in the Avusrennen which it eventually won; so maybe it's the real one ???
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10-11-2005, 06:12 AM
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I confirm Stu's words: it's one of the cars Luigi Fusi had replicated when in charge of building the Arese museum, back in the mid-sixties. I guess that the original body fitted to Moll's 1934 car had been removed and lost/scrapped. It would be worth checking the chassis number of the original aero P3, and also to check whether the replica's chassis is an original Tipo B one. I should have the answers somewhere in my archive, but where? 
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10-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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There were a number of cars "recreated" in the 1960s. Another one was the 1924 RLTF. The real car was in Lurani's collection for many years, and the car in the museum is a recreation. As to what happened to the original aerodynamic body of the Tipo B (P3), I have no idea.
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10-11-2005, 11:03 AM
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When the factory recreates a car, do they base it on an existing period chassis and running gear, or do they build it from the ground up? Is it an operable recreation, or is it basically "hollow" with only the visible parts attended to?
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10-11-2005, 11:31 AM
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I believe that most, if not all the museum "recreations" (except for coachwork and other minor items) were built from spares.
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10-12-2005, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Farace
When the factory recreates a car, do they base it on an existing period chassis and running gear, or do they build it from the ground up? Is it an operable recreation, or is it basically "hollow" with only the visible parts attended to?
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Well, when Luigi Fusi became entrusted of creating a museum, he started gathering and salvaging all what was still around in the Portello factory: first the technical drawings, then the cars and spare parts still lying in the basements, etc.
He had a budget to buy back some signicficant cars as well, and/or propose exchanges to the owners for new cars or less significant older ones available at the factory.
Since some stonemiles were long gone, he tried his best to have them recreated and, according to the available parts they have been built either from original (sometimes adapted/modified) parts (for instance one of the 8C2300 at Arese is indeed based on a 6C1750 frame - quite similar). Some parts were remanufactured from the original drawings. As Fusi himself had been responsible for designing the specific parts of the Tipo A monoposto back in 1931 (for instance all what is related to the left-hand revving engine), he both restored to nex the drawings and had craftmen recreating the parts.
So, I can quote the Ricotti 40/60HP (aerodynamic 'drop' from 1914) as a non running, completely rebodied car based on some original 40/60 parts. The Tipo A is also a non-runner including every kind of parts: original, adapted and recreated. As far as one can learn from Fusi's book on the Tipo A, which includes the tale of the museum car recreation, it's not a mock-up, but a full car (I mean the internal parts are there) but not finalized to be running. In other cases, there are plain mock-ups, evben on original cars. Such is the magnificient blue 8C2900 berlinetta which is lacking its engine.
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11-26-2005, 08:45 AM
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Found some contemporary pictures
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11-27-2005, 04:08 AM
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Pictures is from a book "Sports Cars" 1966. There is almost no test.
Straight eight Alfa Romeo showing the more envolving bodywork to combat the Germans . For this year 1935 the engine was enlarged to 3.2 L ,and front independent springing was tried
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12-25-2005, 11:35 PM
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alfa does that - museums are tricky - retro mania and all that- looks like a big toy car; swear..reall one...way down deap - like that 2.9 a..you just..don't get to see it; they may consider them tainted; sometimes other groupes have right to parts of the desigen'''all that stuff; forgot about guy moll: algerian - Rimboud in north africa season...ou se...I'm acominuists...really...I hide....horrible...like thsoe pathetic idiots in europe - I had an alfa berlina onece for a while..hard to own a car; africa and asia are reall happening
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12-27-2005, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp
Pictures is from a book "Sports Cars" 1966. There is almost no test.
Straight eight Alfa Romeo showing the more envolving bodywork to combat the Germans . For this year 1935 the engine was enlarged to 3.2 L ,and front independent springing was tried
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The bodywork really changed from 1936 to 1937. The 12c36 looks very much like the 8c35. The 12c37 is a much lower and sleaker looking car. It also had a totally new motor. The 12c36 was 4.1 liters and the 12c37 was 4.5 liters. One was a two cam and the other was a 4-cam in addition.
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12-27-2005, 12:54 PM
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hmmm
Seen the picture of the 12c36 in Hull but otherwise pretty msyeriouse; that big post war supperlegeria bodied spyder that ran MM like...53...have models of that and there's this specials,mm 29, inschlumpf...jeez...bugattis..I ussed to be jpoe pro- I gave up. My mv 125 is original.
Not much record of what the 12's did...gp...eh...308 a pretty car 8c 35 here and there...12's...eh
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