monza in belgrade 1939

[biz5300]

I have been tryiong to trace Laszlo Hartmanns Maseratis I a spin off has been Jean Colcianu and a Monza he drove at Belgrade.. Now I have found a pic and has to be a SF car with Brianza body... but who knows more... Also hartmanns 8CM seems to have been in Romania during and after the war? any comments on this??
Romanian site claims cALCIANU BOUGHT THE CAR WITH BROKEN ENGINE FROM nUVOLARI AT THAT IT WAS A TEAM CAR.. pIC ABOVE IS FROM bELGRADE 1939 Caps lock sorry,,,,,,
Nik

[jonas]

This is really interesting!
Could you please provide a link to where you found the picture?

Here are a few links that mention Calcianu and his Alfa, but not much more information I'm afraid:
Romania 1937 1939 - The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board
Autoturism Homepage

There seem to be no mentioning of Jean Calcianu in Simon Moore's "The Legendary 2.3"

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But how about this theory of car identity: SF30!
According to Moore this car is lost to history in the end of 1936 when sold to a dealer Ditta A&L Rotondi, Milano. Registration records end there indicating either breaking up of the car or that it was exported.
Time-wise it would tie in with the reported two years of delay in Romanian customs!

A photo of SF30 on page 599 in "The Legendary 2.3" shows a car remarkably similar to the photo in biz5300's post!

[dretceterini]

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Originally Posted by jonas This is really interesting! Could you please provide a link to where you found the picture? Here are a few links that mention Calcianu and his Alfa, but not much more information I'm afraid: Romania 1937 1939 - The AUTOSPORT Bulletin Board Autoturism Homepage There seem to be no mentioning of Jean Calcianu in Simon Moore's "The Legendary 2.3" Edit: But how about this theory of car identity: SF30! According to Moore this car is lost to history in the end of 1936 when sold to a dealer Ditta A&L Rotondi, Milano. Registration records end there indicating either breaking up of the car or that it was exported. Time-wise it would tie in with the reported two years of delay in Romanian customs! A photo of SF30 on page 599 in "The Legendary 2.3" shows a car remarkably similar to the photo in biz5300's post!

[biz5300]

Calcianu seems to bought the ex nuvolari car without engine in milan .. It HAS To be sf30.. Stu, the car in the picture is a mercedes w154 or w163 without wings in which romanian driver, roman crashed in, probably, that race. . 2 gp mercedes and a duesenberg were liberated off a train bound for moscow in bukarest . A monza alfa was also on that train.. No mention of gt anywhere after this. . Antoine raffaelis superb "memoirs of a bugatti hunter" mentions this and there Has been some discussion about the gp mercedes on atlasf1 but totally forgetting calcianu .. Who had a bmw 328, a maserati and a duesy after the war.. The duesy is in bukarests technical museum, one of the gp mercs as well. The w163 i dont know.. The mas and the monza are gone.. But SF30 WAS on that train... There is stuff for a book here.. Plane ticket to romania next..

[biz5300]

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Originally Posted by dretceterini I tend to think the car is SF 30 too.... Anyone know what the car in the photo below is. The car behind it appears to be a BMW 319 or 328...

[jonas]

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Originally Posted by biz5300 Calcianu seems to bought the ex nuvolari car without engine in milan

[biz5300]

No joke.. The story about the gp mercs is in the rafaelli book with pictures from 1970

[biz5300]

I will pm jonas and stu ..


FOLLOWING IS A COMPUTER TRANSLATION OF ARTICLE ON THE BELRADE GP WHERE THE PIC WAS FOUND..

[biz5300]

Of course you read through the years among the Romanian press that the pilot Jean Calcianu novel in 1939 won the Grand Prix of Belgrade city. Reality is different, and she falls to record anything from the great novel pilot. Cursa in Belgrade took place on 3 September 1939 and will be the last Grand Prix in Europe desfasuarat until after the Second War world. In general, cumulative standings points obtained in races held in Germany (Nürburgring), Switzerland (Bremgarten), Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps) and France (Reims-Gueux), the remaining races, including those held in Belgrade and Bucharest in 1939, being a useful tool to promote brands participating and training. That does not mean however that the big teams momentuluinu not given importance, on the contrary, rivalry was so great that every race entailed large battles. Circuit belgradean measure 2790 m and was one street, located in Kalemegdan park area, Kalemegdan park area, there is some crossing over portions of the tram itself. Were completed 50 tours that totaled 139.5 km. After the qualifying session for the pole position was won by Mercedes, by Manfred von Brauchitsch (1:14.2). Lang, who was the fastest to the performance or colleague, wanted to return to the track but Neubauer, head of Mercedes team, to stop. Grand Prize Winner of Belgrade, Belgrade Cuty race called Race, was Tazio Nuvolari (Auto Union D - time 1:04:03.8), followed by Manfred von Brauchitsch (Mercedes W154 + 7.6) and Paul Hermann Müller (Auto Union D + 31.6). The race had started taking private pilot local Boško Milenković (who competed on an old Bugatti T51), which managed to classes in the fourth position (19 rounds) and Herman Lang (Mercedes W154), which led to exchange by Walter Bäumer abandoned after an accident occurred in the round of 17-century. Maserati pilots (Villoresi and Pietsch) and Alfa Romeo (Somme Sommer) were presented at the race and Bigalke Stuck and the Auto Union did not take the start. In the second day of training as Germaniaa news invaded Poland fell like a hit. Organizers, put in a financial mess, they made great efforts to convince German teams do not give up the race. In the morning of the race came the news that England declared war Germany. Return to Germany was made by Austria and Slovenia, on the road side of the mountain, there is rumor that Hungary is prepared confiscation fuel (in a convoy there cisterna with special racing fuel). Arriving at plants building. Trucks have been requisitioned by the German army. Cortina will fall from car races to end the war. After conducting the race was organized on the same circuit in a race category "Sport" part of the novel where Jean Calcianu among a number of local pilots. "Dude" as he was nicknamed by friends uncle Jean, a cast
Jean, detached won the race, competing with an Alfa Romeo. The car, which was bought in the crock and state of repair Calcianu had been used in past competitions a team of factory Milan, working for Nuvolari Alfa Romeo before I get to Auto Union. Hence was born the legend Tazio Nuvolari, and would have recognized the former car. I told the Romanian press in 70 years-80 as Nuvolari it would be a compliment Calcianu to repair the car (sold with the engine destroyed) and the skill with which evolved no more, he wanted to do a tour circuit the former to the car but Auto Union bosses have resisted for reasons of image. These things may be possible, but what is strange is how one of the Romanian press, for decades, no matter what he Tazio Nuvolari in Belgrade, no on the contrary, I just met recently and story development, such as Nuvolari was defeated of Calcianu. Things could be clarified Calcianu when he was alive. Calcianu, and am generally a cult all the pilots Romanian pioneer of motoring, great efforts have reusti to collect more time obiecet related activities (cups, medals, photos, documents) so that I can not accuse anyone the "collapse of a myth, as expressed in a discussion of a journalist colleague some time ago. Jean Calcianu was a great pilot, a mechanic exceptional qualities which have made themselves absolute master of the automotive industry, Ettore Bugatti, his commitment to a good time in its plant. It is clear and I want to emphasize that the entire career of Jean Calcianu competed in international races cars lower than its adversaries. If he had the chance to enter a factory team Calcianu would otherwise be written the history of motoring romanesc. Career record and to stay but without the brilliant victory which is erroneously assigned. The picture that illustrates the I


Nicknamed Nino, Farina, started his career in motor sports in the interwar period, the first speed races coast, then in întrecerile on circuits with Maserati, and then to find Romeo, a team led by then Enzo Ferrari and among which evolve Tazio Nuvollari. After winning three national titles in a lower class, Farina was imposed in the Grand Prix of Libya, which took place in Tripoli in 1940, his first major victory. After the war and resumed the pilot, this time however evoluând Maserati with a private, but when the Federation decided to establish a World Championship Formula 1, Farina has been taken in the Alfa Romeo team, alongside Juan Manuel Fangio and Luigi Fagioli, thus forming the "three F". 1950 was a year that Alfa Romeo dominated the championship, thanks monoposturi famous Alfa 158, winning all six races in which they have started. Farina won the first race of the Formula

[gtv2000]

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Originally Posted by biz5300 [...].. Stu, the car in the picture is a mercedes w154 or w163 without wings in which romanian driver, roman crashed in, probably, that race. . [...]

[biz5300]

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Originally Posted by gtv2000 I also thought you were joking. A W154 without wings... Where and when the hell should a "normal" W154 (163 is the 1939 engine's designation, not the car's) should have wings??? (OK, I know of the streamlined version) But there's more: on Stu's photo, the car seems to be a two seater, the driver being offset, do I see wrong? Please show us some document with a W154 two seater and comment on the driveshaft layout. And marginally, the car in the picture seems a little bit higher than W154s used to be... About the train story and the guess that SF30 was on it. Well, saying it's a guess is fair enough... Your enthusiasm seems high, at the cost of some coherence in the tales. No offense intended, of course.

[biz5300]

now I hear rumours that Pietschs Monza was also on that train..


Over and out for the moment ..

[biz5300]

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Originally Posted by gtv2000 I also thought you were joking. A W154 without wings... Where and when the hell should a "normal" W154 (163 is the 1939 engine's designation, not the car's) should have wings??? (OK, I know of the streamlined version) But there's more: on Stu's photo, the car seems to be a two seater, the driver being offset, do I see wrong? Please show us some document with a W154 two seater and comment on the driveshaft layout. And marginally, the car in the picture seems a little bit higher than W154s used to be... About the train story and the guess that SF30 was on it. Well, saying it's a guess is fair enough... Your enthusiasm seems high, at the cost of some coherence in the tales. No offense intended, of course.

[biz5300]

here is link to the romanian blog where the belgrade gp stiry is told and the pic was found.. Nik

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