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Old 11-14-2006, 10:45 AM
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Importing a car from the US

Hello,

As picking is fairly slim up here, I am considering importing a GTV1750 from the US. I looked at a government website, and it looked fairly straight forward, but I have become a bit cautious when it it looks simple ( especially when it's government related). Does anyone have first hand experience having gone trhough it?

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Old 11-14-2006, 11:15 AM
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I have gone through the process with my 86 GTV6.Basically if you follow the procedure at www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html

you'll be fine.Of particular importance is you need to present the car's documentation to US Customs at least 48 hours prior to the car arriving at the border.This is so that they can perform a search for liens theft etc.They will then release the vehicle and you take the paperwork including the US Customs release to Canadian Customs.Bring lots of cash and you'll be fine.
Also important is to note that Canada Customs only allow vehicle importation through certain specific border crossings.
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:05 PM
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Thanks for the info Murray, Do you need to show the car to US customs 48hrs before as well or only documents?
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:15 PM
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Did you get a recall letter from the manufacturer? Is trhere a North American Alfa Romeo office that could issue such a letter?

Thanks once again
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:29 PM
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I know that US Customs don't inspect the car before it leaves but they may want to look at the VIN plate before signing off on it.I didn't do anything visa-vi recall notices.I don't believe Alfa have a North American office yet !
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Old 11-14-2006, 12:31 PM
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Great, thanks for the help, will let you now how it goes (if it goes)
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Old 11-14-2006, 06:25 PM
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Nico,
No recall letter compliance is required for 15+ year cars.
You need to fax (or have faxed) a copy of the "Title" to the US Customs people at the border crossing point you wish to use 48 hours before. When you arrive at the US border, before you cross into Canada. you present the ORIGINAL title (same as that you had faxed). If there is no issue The US people will place a small OK stamp and initial on the original title. They don't want to see the car. When you cross into Canada, the Title for the car you are importing will with the OK advise the Canadians it is no prob, if not they will hold it for 48hrs. You need to pay only 6%GST at the border, no duty on 15+ cars. When you do the safety and for 88on cars, e Test, you get Canadian registration and pay the prov sales tax.
I arranged to have the PO(seller) keep the plates and the insurance on the car for one month as part of the deal. That made it easy to just drive the car home from NC!
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:21 AM
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Thanks Elio, Very valuable information. I'm ready
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:34 PM
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48 hours

A minor point, but one that you should be aware of is that the 48 hour waiting period needs to include two working days. Weekends don't count as I found out when importing my Verde.

Also, I think the car needs to be over 25 years old (not 15) in order to be exempt from paying duty. If I recall correctly, duty on my Verde was 6% & it was zero on the Spider.
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:03 PM
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There is no duty on cars brought in from the US that are over 15 yrs old. This is my experience, I brought my 87Quad Spider in, in Aug 2004 from Fayetteville NC. If the car is less than 15 yrs old there is a sliding duty scale (very small). Also if it has A/C there is a $100 tax (go figure). The hassle is that cars less than 15 yrs old require a certificate of compliance and that there is no recalls outstanding. This adds about $250 or so and you can't do it yourself.

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Old 11-16-2006, 11:35 PM
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Nico,

Here are a couple of useful sites you should check out.

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4140/README.html

After looking at this again, it says you have to fax your paperwork to US Customs 72 hours before you present the vehicle at the border. That's probably correct, I just remember I had to leave my car at a service station near the border for a couple of days and then come back for it.
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Nico,

here's my experience... when I brought my car in last year ( a 69 GTV as well), I phoned the USBCP office directly and was told that the documentation had to be faxed in to the USCBP no less than 3 working days(i.e. 72 hrs) prior to exportation from the US. This is so that they can do lien and theft checks against it (as others have stated). This 3 business day rule is strictly adhered to (I found out the hard way)....you cannot fax your TITLE documentation on Wednesday night and expect to pass through Friday...they won't budge on this and were very adamant about that..reason being is that only specific USCBP officers are processing the documents for vehicle exports and they do this during regular hours only.....not in the evening and not on the weekends or holidays. Also, even though in my case the car looked like a basket case, the officer still had to check that the VIN number on the documents match that on the vehicle...so yes they'll be checking it. And also, if you get there before the 72 hrs period...and they don't process you, they won't let you leave the vehicle there and so you'll have to turn back and park it somewhere....in my case I found a towing company nearby Niagara township (I came through the Queenston bridge ...you can't use the Peace bridge) that was willing to store it for as long as I wanted...(for a fee of course). I would imagine that if it has a lein ..they will impound it and after that who knows what the process would be.......On my return trip (with everything in order) I got to the border in the morning ( I would advise you don't go in the afternoon as it gets busier then) and it took less than 20 min. to get through both US border and then Canada Customs (who really didn't particularily pay much attention to the car or it's documentation).....they just wanted to see a receipt for the vehicle so that GST could be calculated. So it's not all that bad...just do the proper paperwork ahead of time, and adhere to their timelines.

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I just brought a Spider in this past summer...

Hi folks, I'll weigh in with my experience - I've noticed a couple of things that were slightly different than what I experienced. I brought in a 91 Spider in July of 2006. It was 15 years old, plus 2 months, so I squeaked in the 15 year condition.

First of all, there definitely IS duty on cars 15 years or older. You pay the full GST, PST and 6% duty when you import a vehicle. This is payable on your *declared* value of the car, which has to be backed up by a signed bill of sale (from the vendor). Do your homework, and check out the Red Book value (at your local library) before you write up the bill of sale with the vendor. Hint Hint.

If you are bringing in car through Niagara Falls/Buffalo, the only point of entry where you can import a vehicle is at the Lewiston Bridge. You must fax the Title document to US Customs at the bridge, no less than 72 hours prior to entry. Once you fax them the document, call them the next day to confirm receipt. When you fax them the title document, make sure you write the VIN in black magic marker on the copy of the title document. These were instructions provided to me by the US Customs guy. They're helpful, but certainly not friendly.

US customs is only open M-F until 4pm, but do not get there at 4pm, as they close up right at 4, regardless of who is in line. Make sure you are there no later than 3pm. They will go outside, inspect the VIN on the vehicle, and cross reference that against the original title document that you present to them. If you don't have the original title document, the car does not leave the US.

When you cross over to Canada Customs (which is open 24X7), inform them that you are importing the vehicle, they will ask you how much you paid for it, what kind it is, year, make model, etc. They'll give you the yellow slip, and you pull over to the customs building to pay your fees. Once your fees are paid, and all is well, they'll give you a form that you hold on to until you have the car licensed. Keep it in the car at all times - it'll keep you from getting fined in case you get pulled over for driving with no plates.

The only thing different for a vehicle that is greater than 15 years old, is that it does not have to undergo a federal safety inspection, and does not have to be registered in the federal imported-vehicle registry (www.riv.ca). You will need a provincial safety certificate and an e-test in order to get the car registered and plated.

My documentation indicated that I did have to have a recall compliance notice. I obtained one from the North American office of Alfa Romeo, but nobody at either US or Canada customs/licensing asked for it. Contact for AR North America is:
Tony DiMuro
Alfa Romeo USA
Fax: 407 438 0804
Tel: 407-856-5000

They provided a recall compliance notice for free. Fax them your request, and be sure to include the VIN.

Other than that, I found the entire process to be fairly simple, but I was well prepared ahead of time. The first question the Canada Customs person asked me was why the car had no plates on it. I had printed out a temporary license from the state in which I purchased the car (depends on the state), so I handed that to her, which seemed to satisfy her. My explanation was that I had taped a copy to the back window like the regulations specified, but that it had blown off when the top was down

If you've got any more questions, let me know, happy to share my experiences.

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Old 12-06-2006, 05:51 PM
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Thanks for the info Capitain Canuck. Car should be ready to move within the next few days. It's a 69 GTV and can't be driven so I won't have to worry about temp plates flying away. Everyone's input has been hugely helpful and I, as you were, am prepared. Once the car is north of the 49th parallel I'll post my experiences.

Once again thanks,
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Old 12-06-2006, 08:21 PM
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I had a different experience than the Captain when I imported my 87 Quad in Aug. 2004 (which I drove into Canada at Sarnia).
I paid NO import tax.
I paid only the GST and paid the PST 6 months later when I registered the car in Ontario.
I did not have any "form until you have your car licensed"

I did not have to get recall notice compliance.

I believe Captain Cannuck may have had to pay 6% duty because his car was not technically 15 years old. A 1991 is not "over 15 years old" ontil 2007.

My thoughts and my experience..Elio
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