09-20-2010, 12:03 PM
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SVRA and VDCA.....yes, if the brakes are from a 69 they should be fine....would you care to let me know the price range you are considering?
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09-20-2010, 01:15 PM
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Considering it's race history, being one of the Graduate cars, the price is $95,000. Now all will know what I think the value is of this Alfa. It probably would cost around $60,000+ to duplicate. And then no race history.
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09-20-2010, 02:01 PM
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Doubt any of that would make it illegal for SCCA,let alone vintage, possibly the spoiler, but doubt even that. Hood and trunk lid are not an issue, you could even have lt wt doors, pinned as well. Roll bar is most critical for scca, but not vintage scca, just has to be 'vintage" legal and all's good,so current seat belts, safety wiring, fire system or extinguisher, etc. 1750 on west coast is deal breaker, both SCCA and vintage groups will mandate a 1600 for a 67, 1750 for a 69. Nice car, pretty sure it could be duplicated for a lot less than asking, except for history, which is unobtanium. Not sure how many people care for this or would rather go for a GTV sorted for 30-45K or a Giulia spider for 40-50K, but god love the enthusiasm. All the best
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09-20-2010, 02:35 PM
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OOPS! Sorry, I'm looking for a nice race car not a history icon. Seen two equally prepared Duetto's go for 'round $20-25k. Good luck Dale, maybe you should contact Miles Collier...he certainly has a number of historically noted cars like the TZ1 he had at Watkins Glenn.....thanks for your reply and time.....
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09-20-2010, 02:55 PM
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OOPS! ... Seen two equally prepared Duetto's go for 'round $20-25k. ...
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I'm very sorry to comment like this, but if you read this thread's first post and understood the work done and names mentioned, you would not be making such an outrageous statement.
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09-20-2010, 04:14 PM
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Outrageous? I certainly said nothing disrespectfull to Hotlegs, in fact thanked him for his time and answers to my questions. He obviously feels the undocumented history of the car warrants the asking price. I don't. If Zunige feels different, suggest that he rush to buy the car without delay.
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09-20-2010, 05:39 PM
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The only thing that does not have a piece of paper from Alfa, is about being the Graduate car( 1 of 2/3)/ I have the bill of sale dated June/1969 from the dealership of Lee Midgley and Bob Griffith.And a log book starting in 1972 and most, if not all the race records for the car.
I doubt that ARI in El Segundo could begin to tell you the serial numbers of the Duettos in " The Graduate". My guess is the Italians were pretty laid back about that kind of stuff. Even when ARI told me it was the Graduate car in 1976, it did not make that much difference. It was, and still is, a race car.
With tons of SCCA race history. Get a copy of Alan Johnson's " Competetion Driving". There are two pictures of me racing the Duetto at Ontario Motor Speedway. Leading the pack. 1st in EP. Beat Alan Ward's DP 69 Spider.
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[QUOTE=Prep-H;924732] Seen two equally prepared Duetto's go for 'round $20-25k. QUOTE]
Prep-H, if the Duettos you had seen were equally prepared, I would suggest that you jump at them. Even with the current depressed market for race cars, that would be an exceptional value. When you consider the detailed mechanical specs, Dale's car goes far beyond most vintage racers, and would part out for more than the price of the other cars you describe.
On the other hand, getting his price for this car will not be easy. It will take finding just the right buyer at just the right time. Can't be in a hurry!
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09-22-2010, 08:26 AM
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Outrageous? I certainly said nothing disrespectfull to Hotlegs, in fact thanked him for his time and answers to my questions. He obviously feels the undocumented history of the car warrants the asking price. I don't. If Zunige feels different, suggest that he rush to buy the car without delay.
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Prep-H,
My post had nothing to do with disrespect or this vehicle's history. It had everything to with your assertion, and I will quote you again: "Seen two equally prepared Duetto's go for 'round $20-25k."
I'm not here to give you or anyone a hard time, but your assertion is simply wildly unbelievable. If such is not the case, then simply back up your assertion. Yes, it is wildly unbelievable, and outrageous, that any Duetto with the preparation that the car being offered here has would be selling for $20k. For reference, below is the list from the first post of this thread. (I placed the items in their own line, as opposed to leaving them in one paragraph to make them easier to refer to.)
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Fresh 1750 engine,
12.8 Forged-True pistons,
Carrillo rods, std.-std.
Sammy Hale crank,
direct oil to #2-#4 mains,
Alum. flywheel with 911S p.p..
Titanium valve spring retainers and custom 8mm stem valves.
45 Webers. MarelliPlex ignition,
Jim Steck windage tray with custom trap box.
Custom 4 to 1 headers.
Extra large radiator.
Short, lightweight gear set. GTA mag rear cover.
Ward and Deane swing pedal conversion.
Remote oil filter with large oil cooler.
Chrome moly roll cage built by Frank Peterson, a former Pikes Peak winner and SEMA certified dragster chassis manufacturer.
W & D adjustable rear bar.
Panhard rod rear suspension.
Tubular rear mount front sway bar.
Late tall front spindles.
Late, large ATE brakes.
GTA Uniball rear trailing arms.
15 gallon fuel cell.
Fully aeroquip fuel and oil lines.
Kevlar hood and deck lid.
A fully sorted, race winning and lap record holding Alfa.
Too many other bits to mention.
Includes original 15 x 6 American Racing magnesium wheels.
Currently has 15 x 7 Panasports.
Not cheap. Serious inquiries only.
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Again, this has nothing to do with this car's history and everything to do with what it would cost to prepare a Duetto as described, and how wildly unbelievable it is to even think that "two equally prepared Duetto's go for 'round $20-25k". Anyone looking at this list may easily research the cost of each item, and then get an idea of what it would cost to reproduce or what would be a range of value in an already prepared vintage race car. And I guess that the seller's point "Not cheap" to you meant "$20-25k"... That's what prompted my comment about understanding the work involved and the names associated with the preparation of this car. As I said before, if you know that this type of preparation in a vintage racer goes for "$20-25k", just back it up...
Hotlegs32,
My apologies for jumping in here... I do realize that this thread is about presenting your car to potential buyers, and not about discussing other topics... I will refrain from further unrelated posts to avoid a hi-jack...
Best regards to all,
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09-22-2010, 10:14 AM
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No worries, Zunige. The way you wrote it looks better.
Something that I forgot in original post is a 4.78 LSD with the GTA early HD 15(?) splines axles. Plus one new spare axle.
Gearbox is 2.33 first through .88 fifth short lightweight gearset.
And just for reference, I am building another 67 Duetto for a friend. The car was $5000 and the cage done by the same person as mine was $4500. In the last 3 weeks. In chrome moly, etc. Already $9500 with nothing else done.
Karen Dale Macgowan
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09-25-2010, 10:37 AM
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Not worth it? Really? This car has an amazing history that goes way beyond it's value as a race car. There is plenty of incredibly convincing evidence that this is the car filmed in most of the Graduate, then was sold to Lee Midgley for a dollar on the condition that it be turned into a race car. It had been rear ended during the filming and that was why more car(s) were requested in order to finish the film.
Lee began his very successful Alfa career in this car, which was prepared along with a second Duetto by John Shankle.
Either one of these histories being attached to a car would be a very big deal, but this car has a double history. Not having a spare $95k makes me just a interested observer, but I personally think this car is well worth the price. I would love to see someone use those original wheels and put the number 93 back on it and restore it to it's Lee Midgley state.
Check out the early pictures here:
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa...-race-car.html
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I love these arguments about what cars are worth! Of course the reality is that any car is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it at the time you want to sell it. No more, no less. A '56 Spider Normale I owned until recently sold at auction at Pebble Beach for $70K. Some would argue that no normale is worth $70K, but clearly it was to someone that day. I've seen plenty of the opposite situation, cars that clearly could be parted for more than the asking price that no one is willing to pay. Once again, the car is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.
As for Dale's car, clearly it is a special one for lots of reasons. I'm sure he hates to give it up, and hope he finds the right buyer for it.
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With all due respect, still not worth 90 GRAND, sorry.
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If you wanted a Duetto race car with this type of history - where would you find another?
It's hard to establish the value of this particular car using comparable examples as there aren't many. It is both well prepared and historic. If this were a GTA nobody would bat an eye at the price being asked. In it's own way, it has a history that is as unique as many of the GTAs that were raced in the US.
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If you wanted a Duetto race car with this type of history - where would you find another?
It's hard to establish the value of this particular car using comparable examples as there aren't many. It is both well prepared and historic. If this were a GTA nobody would bat an eye at the price being asked. In it's own way, it has a history that is as unique as many of the GTAs that were raced in the US.
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Well stated Joe.
My mother (and other important people in my life) reminded me to "consider the source". It appears that some people like to join this bulletin board and within their first few posts try to demonstrate how much they know about ... whatever. Case in point... Six posts, each deriding the asking price of a vehicle in the "for sale" forum. I'm out.
Karen, I wish you well with the sale, and I hope that you keep us informed as regarding the future owner of this very important vehicle.
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