11-25-2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Aghevli
They should just rebadge the 8C as a Maserati and sell it as the next generation Maserati Spider.
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You should just take down your Alfa Romeo Script Sig down after comments like that.. Ive notice some comments youve been making in other threads as well... like the 159 thread.. are you sure youre actually an Alfa fan? 
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11-25-2005, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HenryKrinkle
WHAAAAAAA!!?
You should just take down your Alfa Romeo Script Sig down after comments like that.. Ive notice some comments youve been making in other threads as well... like the 159 thread.. are you sure youre actually an Alfa fan? |
As a matter or fact, I'd even go so far as to say that the 8C is more of an Alfa Romeo that what is being past off as Alfas in many cases today anyway. And for that reason alone, I'd like to see it go into production at any cost...even if it means wearing a trident in its front grill.
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11-26-2005, 06:00 AM
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Again gentlemen, let me be the voice of reason. Alfa has been away from North America for so long, that people have forgotten, don't know, don't care, who they are. A new generation of buyers has grown up, gotten their licenses, educated themselves, ready for an exciting new ride, etc. They are prime targets!! Alfa must return with a superstar, head turning, in your face statement of style and exotic Italian flare. Enter the 8C. If Alfa wants to make a statement, it must come to America with its "gummar" (sp?). If Alfa brings its middle aged wife to the party, "nice seeing you".  |
11-26-2005, 08:53 AM
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I beg to differ alfaholico.
The 8C is definately an enthusist's car and built for someone who knows the Alfa's of old.
There is no way that Alfa could sell the 8C to the kind of buyers that you describe because, simply put, the 20 and 30 somethings of America just don't have the kind of money that the pricetag of an 8C would demand. If Alfa dared to do this, the only statement it would be making is that its intentions to stay in North America is not serious at all.
Now, if you suggest that they keep the shell of the car and offer it up with variants of their 2.2 liter and 3.2 liter engines and sell it within the range of the Audi TT and BMW Z4, I will agree with you. But as it stands right now, the youngest buyers of the 8C will have to be rich babyboomers who, to use your words, do bring their middle-aged wife to the parties.
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11-26-2005, 09:00 PM
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May I respectfully beg to differ? BMW makes a Z8. They don't sell many Z8's, however, it represents a technological statement. Young buyers buy 3 series BMW's with the perception that the same or similar pedigree is in their car. They cannot afford a Z8, but they buy into the marque. If Alfa doesn't return with a relatively broad product line and an in your face statement car, I fear their strategy will be half warmed over. How could you design such a beautiful car and leave it on the drawing room floor? Only if you lack confidence. The 8C will be the bait, and the Brera and 159 will benefit.  |
11-27-2005, 05:14 AM
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8C/Z8 are indeed for the 50+...
The BMW E30 M3 did appeal young people. Just like the Giulia GTA.....a normal
car gone mental and challenging the more arrive, exclusive and expensive sports cars
driven by the 50+.
The horsepower race was triggered by the E36 M3, which suddenly jumped from 4-cylinder to 6-cylinder power plant. A BMW M3 has quite a different type of appeal as the M6/Z8.
I would prefer a lightweight, rearwheeldrive Alfa Romeo sedan/GTV which shouts anarchy.
Drive it like a hooligan and wearing a big grin. 8C is a bit too boil-in-the-bag in comparison.
Cars like the VW GTI, Saab 900 turbo, Alfa Romeo 1900, Audi UrQuattro are loved because
they have been the first transforming normal road cars in roadburners. Alfa Romeo made
the first sports sedan and in my opinion Alfa Romeo is a car manufacturer since the 60s
of mass produced cars for the young and the young at heart not exclusive sports cars. The appeal of a GTI for young people is not its performance but GTI did became a cult.
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11-27-2005, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HenryKrinkle
WHAAAAAAA!!?
You should just take down your Alfa Romeo Script Sig down after comments like that.. Ive notice some comments youve been making in other threads as well... like the 159 thread.. are you sure youre actually an Alfa fan? |
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11-27-2005, 12:21 PM
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Aghevli, I still await your reply.  |
11-27-2005, 01:15 PM
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Alfaholico-
First off, I'm not sure that many 3-series owners are even aware of the Z8. My brother's girlfriend drives a 3-series that her father bought her. I doubt she has any idea that BMW even makes another two-seater convertible beyond the Z4. I get that idea with a lot of BMW drivers these days.
Sure, if Alfa wants to show off prestige, it would be nice to have an 8C in the showroom but I think that modern buyers are more enticed by the cars that they buy and less so with sharing any type of pedigree with the brand. Alfa's sales record is a perfect example of how the pedigree won't help a car sell if the final product is subpar. 8C and Z8 aside, if Alfa doesn't build the car that I want then I'm not buying, regardless of what else they make.
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11-27-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HenryKrinkle
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You should just take down your Alfa Romeo Script Sig down after comments like that.. Ive notice some comments youve been making in other threads as well... like the 159 thread.. are you sure youre actually an Alfa fan? |
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11-27-2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HenryKrinkle
WHAAAAAAA!!?
You should just take down your Alfa Romeo Script Sig down after comments like that.. Ive notice some comments youve been making in other threads as well... like the 159 thread.. are you sure youre actually an Alfa fan? |
Some people here just come to create negative vibes.
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11-27-2005, 09:36 PM
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Please Aghevli, a more lucid argument. Your brothers' girlfriend is not the person you and I are hypothetically talking about here. We're talking about "car people" (re- guys). And someone who is given a car and doesn't pay for it is also not the person we are talking about. We're talking about "gearheads" here. Why not build the 8 C as a statement of what Alfa is and can be? I just can't see the reason not to. A broad product line (esp an SUV for North America), an in your face statement car, a great warranty and great dealer service. This is what is needed to succeed. It ain't rocket science. |
11-28-2005, 03:48 AM
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The 8C was introduced almost two years ago....If Alfa Romeo could attract sufficient buyers
they would have put the 8C in production. The 8C doesn't make any sense at all at the moment. Why not fit the transverse mounted Cadillac Northstar V8 and create a Brera GTA???
I do not believe the Maserati V8 will be mounted in the Brera because they would have
to develop or buy a very short gearbox. It can be done but it wouldn't make any business
sense because the Caddie engine can be used for far less money because the GM engines are
very inexpensive due to GM's very efficient engine high volume manufacturing.
Unless Maserati will drop out of their league and also use the Premium platform and GM V6
engines etc. Considering Jaguar mishap with the X-type I wouldn't want to follow that route.
I have never understanded why Jaguar, Maserati, Audi etc cannot cooperate instead of
bringing in a Mondeo.
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11-28-2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaholico
Please Aghevli, a more lucid argument. Your brothers' girlfriend is not the person you and I are hypothetically talking about here. We're talking about "car people" (re- guys). And someone who is given a car and doesn't pay for it is also not the person we are talking about. We're talking about "gearheads" here. Why not build the 8 C as a statement of what Alfa is and can be? I just can't see the reason not to. A broad product line (esp an SUV for North America), an in your face statement car, a great warranty and great dealer service. This is what is needed to succeed. It ain't rocket science. |
But back to the 8C...
My passion for Alfa Romeos tells me that the 8C is a car that NEEDS to be built. Unfortunately, I know that in terms of marketing sense, there is no point for Fiat to actually build it. It's not logical. Fiat is a company of buisness men first and there is no point building a car that will directly compete with the Maserati Spider when Fiat itself already takes in the profits for that car. It's that simple.
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