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8c comptetizione will finally be produced only in 500 units.The price will be between 130k and 150k in Italy.AR will first launch 8c in Paris motorshow,then the orders book will open and at last production will start....
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Yes, but will they be taking orders from North America?
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08-30-2006, 02:04 PM
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Very expensive price for a rebodied Mas'
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08-30-2006, 05:58 PM
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Very expensive price for a rebodied Mas'
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08-31-2006, 07:12 AM
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Yes you're right, this is a re-re-bodied Ferrari-Maserati with 2 Alfa badges on it.
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08-31-2006, 01:18 PM
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Yes, but will they be taking orders from North America?
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09-01-2006, 12:40 PM
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09-01-2006, 01:43 PM
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It does look lovely.
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09-01-2006, 03:59 PM
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it does look nice....
But really, I have read all 14 pages here, and find I most agree with Aghlevi and M3Dude.
There are a lot of Alfa's around here in Holland, and already quite some 159's .
But to me they are rebadges Fiats. I have driven just about every Alfa made since the early sixties, and really, the last real Alfa was made by Alfa. When it was (more or less) an independent company. I don't really hang on RWD, because any Sud is a hoot to drive.
Alfa used to be expensive, but value for money then. When any other car struggled to make 90 Horses, Alfa got you 130. When everyone had drum brakes, alfa had discs all round. A TC engine. LSD, stuff like a rev counter standard, a clock. Five speeds! Those things were NOT normal then.
It would outgun, outhandle and outbrake just about anything, and be FAR cheaper than other cars with similar performance. So more expensive than most other small coupes, or four door sedans, but far cheaper than other makes in the performance bracket. AND you could get your family in.
Enter Fiat. A 145/6 a 156, a 166? What plus do these cars have over any Jap? Styling? Is that it?
A 159: grossly overweight, no match for a similar beemer in handling, or quality or whatever, yet at least over here, priced similarily.
A Brera? Looks good, but it weighs HUGE!!!
It cannot by any name be called a sports car. Same for spider.
The 8C: Since when does a real Alfa need someone elses engine to perform? Sure it looks great. But then, as someone said, who needs another 100K sportscar?
What Alfa SHOULD do is get back to its roots. Build a new Giulia. Not that it should be retro, but the Unique Selling Points!! A new Bertone.
Light, spacious interior, fine handling, cheaper than a Boxster, but just as agile and fast. And most of all, a new Sud. Cheap, lightweight, chuckable, fun to drive and cheaper than a Golf or japanese box.
Alfa will NEVER have japanese or german quality, so stop trying.
Make it cheap and fun. If it can be both these things, young buyers will forgive the quality.
Someone mentioned an Alfa SUV. FORGET IT!!!!!
Knock off those ideas. That can NEVER be an Alfa, because a Suv does intrinsically NOT handle, which is what you buy an Alfa for.
Alfa should design a new kind of 105 engine, that is state-of-art, can be available in several displacements, and gung ho compared to the competition.
And STOP trying to outBMW BMW . I can go on for hours like this, actually it makes me angry......
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I totally and entirely agree with you, Berlinista !!
Alfa is dead and we have only rebadged Fiats and GM/Opel now.
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09-01-2006, 04:26 PM
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Alfa will NEVER have japanese or german quality, so stop trying.
Make it cheap and fun. If it can be both these things, young buyers will forgive the quality.
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Overall, though, I agree with your thread. Alfa needs to stop being something that it is not. To hold itself up to the standard of the Germans and Japanese would be, in a sense, to admit that they are already better than Alfa Romeo. No one in the past ever bought an Alfa because it was a practical car above all else; they bought it because there was something else about it that the competition did not have. Alfas were better than those cars for different reasons.
The problem now however is that Fiat has had the wrong idea about Alfa Romeo. They want Alfa to be successful on their own terms, terms that Alfa was never successful on to begin with. If I were Fiat I would look to the past successes of the 105, 115, and 116 cars and go from there.
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Aghlevi,
It is very simple. For all those reasons, Alfa was not succesful in the States (there were other reasons as well, that aside).
I fully believe Alfa should not even TRY to sell cars in the US.
The American market is so very different than the one in Europe.
It was even more different back in the late '60's, early '70's.
Anyhow, US cars aren't exactly the finest quality themself. On the other hand, US consumers are buying small, fun cars nowadays.
If Alfa makes a serious new Spider, it should be something like a Miata.
Same price roughly, but faster, and looking better. I wonder if the US consumer would then 'forgive' a more lax quality? Not that old Alfa's were bad. Just shakes, rattles, parts falling off, sometimes bad electrics. Not like Ford Pinto's or anything like that.......
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Yes you're right, this is a re-re-bodied Ferrari-Maserati with 2 Alfa badges on it.
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Oh.. along with the fact that the car was a complete ground up design by Alfa Romeo. But even if it were not, the days of one company making one car are dead. Oh you can throw out in the air Ferrari, BMW, Merc, then you start looking at some of their finer parts you start to realize companies join up with other companies to save money... I suggest you begin to deal with the way the world economy works or just not look into new cars at all... your choice to stay in the past and complain about how cars arent "real" is your own, me? Im gonna enjoy this car in all its splendor.
Im curious why do people continue to represent this car falsely? i mean its clearly been shown through documentation and pictures on this thread that this car was designed and built at alfa, with a ferrari/masi based v8... So why? I mean are you jealous its too expensive for you to buy? do you just like to hate alfa romeo for givin a go at a supercar and think readers are too dumb to go back a few pages and actually read the TRUTH? or is it just ignorance about how car manufacturers work in the modern age?
Bytheway, the pagani is a rebadged Merc. The Saab is a rebadged GM, etc. etc. etc.. its all old. the days of Highlanders of pure blood fighting the romans of pure blood is long dead... enjoy your cars. hah
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I totally and entirely agree with you, Berlinista !!
Alfa is dead and we have only rebadged Fiats and GM/Opel now.
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Oh boy. Looks like the whiners and naysayers are having a field day over the 8C. Can you imagine that?! It is the ultimate proof that Alfa really cannot do anything to please this wacko subset of Alfisti.
Are they still waiting for 1970 or something?
I have been virtually beaten to a bloody pulp so many times, just because I have the balls to say I enjoy my 2004 model Alfa Romeo. The underlying theme is that no Alfa made after 1992 can be enjoyed. Someone will always tell you that your car isn't a "real Alfa", no matter what it is.
The 1900 must have had 6C owners eyes roll out of their skull.
To poke fun at the whiners, I sometimes refer to the Montreal as my "105-series Bertone coupé", and when they discover that it's not a Giulia Sprint GT, they rarely fail to sputter and cough before resorting to bashing the Montreal. "It's not a real 105-series." Imagine that?!
I have concluded my non-scientific research of the global whiner- and naysayer community thusly:
If you don't own a car found on a short list of 105s or 116s with TC and carburettors (everything else, by simple deduction, is cr*p), you're not worthy of being on the same continent as those who do.
Alfa is currently writing a whole new chapter in their history book. It's taking place in the first decennium of the noughties. Get with the program or STFU. We have moved forward. Let the good old days be the good old days.
I will probably never drive or let alone own an 8C, but it will make regular Joe say "Alfa Romeo" in sotto voce again. That's its job. Nothing more, nothing less.
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well hell one minute its a rebadged maserati, then a rebadged ferrari, and now Fiat? we're working up the chain... does this really bother you that a company has subsidery companies and therefore theyre not worthy? I already know your answer....you know how many companies you should be mad at right now and call all their products DEAD? hahaha
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GM for instance assassinated many many carmakers : american ones and european ones too. Saab for example.
GM also destroys asian carmakers : Daewoos are Chevrolets now. Terrible.
Fiat has destroyed most of the italian companies : Innocenti, Autobianchi, Lancia, Alfa Romeo. Curiously their Ferrari management is quite good and effective although in the past they did some mistakes : some Fiat & Lancia powered by Ferrari, buuurrkk... but the Ferrari image was not altered and it 'll continue till a Fiat JTD engine will take place under the cavallino bonnet.
Nevertheless, some companies are still alive and dynamic : Subaru is a Subaru not a rebadged/rebodied consumer "product".
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