The auction expired on that red 164. Last bid was for $4150. I emailed the seller to ask what his real price is. Emailed back and said he had $17k into the car and wanted in the "high 20s." I know some sellers have some pretty unrealistic expectations, but I think that's pretty delusional. Even the newer LS's on ebay are getting no bids with starting bids of $5-6k.