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#1 ·
Hi everybody,

I have the opportunity to start the restauration of a 1960 2000 Touring.

The car is originally yellow "paglierino" with black seats but I would like to do it as beautiful as possible, whatever the original configuration.

Here are my questions :
For your point of view, what could be the best colors configuration (painting, interior, hard top) for such model ?

Do you know if the soft top cover has the same color of the seats or if it is black (as I can see on many pictures) ?

Do you know if the engine compartment is painted in Black (such 2600 T) or if it is the same color than the rest of the car ?

I will post picture as soon as the car would be at "home".

Have a nice day.

Serge
 
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#29 ·
Very nice shape!

I notice it is European version, even with passenger grab-handle on dash. It must be a 1962. I am enclosing a page from Tabuchi book indicating the VIN numbers. They were NOT make sequentially. Sometimes those with lower numbers are later cars. So what is the VIN [AR10204*_ _ _ _ _*] Is the engine okay?
 

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#31 ·
Serge,

Congratulations! One thing I would offer ....... when you negotiate with your coachbuilder, please check ALL the floor panels, front, central and spare-tyre/boot area. They are often rusted. If you are taking out seats, carpets etc., it may pay to renew those panels, pretty thin steel, even when new. Also, the 'rocker' panels under each door.

Bonne Chance, cordialement, Des.
 
#33 ·
Hi everybody,

I which to everybody an happy new year 2016 :smile2:.

Some news :

First of all the answer regarding the N° of the car :

Vehicle Subcompact car


The pictures are deceiving.
The underbody are attacked.
The vertical posts, where are fixed door hinges, are eaten at their base.

Vehicle Automotive exterior Bumper Car


The body work will be very important.

First step will be to dismount all the car. I start by the engine that is now outside the car.

Vehicle Engine Auto part Car Automotive exterior


I won't do anything on the car before few weeks, the time for me to finalize the 2600 project.

More picture soon.

Serge.
 
#34 ·
Serge,

Bienvenue au monde des Alfas nous aimons encore. Bon, et pas si bon! I would be surprised if those underside members did NOT look like that! Very common.

Your chassis number is stamped into the firewall at the back of the engine compartment, behind the distributor and just right of the coil. The engine number is stamped high on the front-left of the crankcase (just below the head). Hopefully they match and you will have added value.

Marchons, marchons....Des.
 
#39 ·
I need chrome turn housings in restorable condition, my glass is good, but rest is too pitted to bring back
I also need tail light housings

any kicking around that can be resurected?



Peter
 
#41 · (Edited)
Hi everybody,

I finally reopens this post.

After the sale of the 2600 T motivation has struggled to return. I think after such a project, the mind needs to do a brake .

First of all, what are the specifications of this project:
Put the car in nine scrupulously respecting the original design side configuration but bringing some technical changes to bring performance, comfort and reliability.

Aesthetic side , the car will Grigio Biacca with red interior.
Something like the picture of Franco above.

Performance side:
As I want to keep this car as long as life will allow me, I want to boost up the engine (ideally have the same performance as in 2600 ...). I already know I will adapt Weber in place of the Solex. Any suggestions on engine performance are welcome.

Listed Security:
I'll adapt disc brakes at the front instead of drums. I've dug up a front end 2600 which was equipped with disc brakes.
I'll see if I can mount seat belts.
It is possible that I get LED headlights more powerful, to see.

Comfort side:
I would make a tonneau cover, I like to protect the cabin when I park in a public parking.
I'll adapt a master vac for more efficiency of the brake pedal.
Finally, the seats will be slightly modified to improve lateral support.

Reliability side :
Weber (already mentioned)
The traditional 123 Ignition spark (if available for this model)
Fuel Filter King (FISPA whose replacement part are hard to find)

For the rest, everything will be refurbished. For example, ALL screws and washers will be changed, all parts of the axle will be powder coated, ...
The car is now in my little garage and I start to disassemble it :

Vehicle Car Automotive exterior Fender Subcompact car


Auto part Tire Automotive wheel system Wheel


Auto part Suspension part Suspension Vehicle brake Tire


It is a hard work but I nearly finish.
 
#42 ·
Hello Serge,

I hope you find energy and momentum for your project. I agree -these cars find a spot in our hearts for life.

The engine performance is a relatively easy formula. You have probably read my posts on the 2300. In short, use the OKP manifold, 45 DCOE carbs, modified RJ cam shafts, and Pertronix ignition. I wouldn't bother with the 123. The manifold will need to be ported to match the 45mm carbs, and aftermarket air cleaners used. This formula produced about a 25% gain in power with no loss of low RPM torque.

Of course, if you can find a 2300, I'll have some more suggestions to obtain the best results. I believe a 2300 bottom with 2000 cylinder head would be a good choice.

I understand your interest in improving the brakes. However, the original brakes on my car work wonderfully. I do not feel unsafe with them at all. I think the main argument for disk brakes is to reduce fade during racing, which is not what the 2000 will be doing. Also, the pedal pressure is acceptable without boost. Maybe the boost is required only with disk brakes.

It was easy to mount seat belts. I have not tried to mount shoulder straps.

At the early stage, you might want to investigate the electric steering booster. I think one person has done this on a 2600. This could be the single best modification for improved driving pleasure.
 
#43 ·
Hi Don,

Thank you for your answer.

I have 2 engines so 2 cylinder head. I should be able to modify the shafts of one of these : What is a "modified RJ cam shafts" ?

Why do you think a 2300 bottom with 2000 cylinder head would be a good choice ?

For my point of view, front disc brake are much reliable. With the 2600 Touring I mange to have a very performing brake system. I assume I'll be able to perform that again.

Serge.
 
#44 ·
Serge,

The 2300 bottom end offers the 2300cc capacity, of course. The combination of bore and stroke results in a more efficient piston top shape than the very tall 2000cc piston. There are several benefits of this, including less tendency to "rock", which should improve the cylinder wear characteristics. It should be easier to have pistons made to raise the compression from the original 9 to 1 to perhaps 9.5 or 10.

The 2300 head, however, uses the smaller valve tappets as found on 105 engines. The cam has a larger base circle than the 105, so building cams with a higher lift is limited by the diameter of the tappet. The 2000 cylinder head uses a much larger diameter tappet, so you have more options of cam lobe profiles.

Richard Jemmison has developed a wide range of cams to achieve the desired results in an Alfa engine. He is "RJ", and posts on the BB as "Alfar7". You would send a set of 2000 or 2300 cams to the company he uses for re-profiling the cams. If you choose to use this approach, we will talk some more before you make your final decisions.

The OKP manifold makes many things easier. 45DCOE carbs will allow the Venturi sizes that you will need. Careful matching of the manifold to the head and 45 carbs is necessary.

Since you are contemplating this route, I recommend finding valves that use a 9mm stem so you can use modern adjusting shims. This will also require different retainers, guides, etc.

It might make sense to see if RJ will do a complete cylinder head re-work for you, resulting in a better breathing head and completed manifold. I'm not certain he is available for this work, but it would save you a lot of time and cure many of the goals to a better performing engine.
 
#45 ·
Hi everybody,

As I wanted to validate as soon as possible the front brake modification I have research the calipers (missing parts).

I ask all the usual Alfa dealers and prices were including between 1000 to 250 euros for one caliper.

As I already buy parts to Jaguar dealers when I was working on the 2600 project I investigate on this direction.
Good idea ! The jaguar Type E S3 had the same Girling system than the 2600.

Price from SNG Barratt is 161 euros. I call them at 15h00, I receive the parts next day at 9h30 !!! :

SNG Barratt - The Ultimate Jaguar Parts Specialist

Auto part


The calipers fit perfectly. The only difference with the 2600's is that the jag is equipped with ventilated brake disc. The disc thickness is expanded thanks to a brace. It will be easy to remove this parts.

So a good information for any 2600 owner that is looking for brand new front calipers : look type E S3 parts.

Serge.
 
#46 ·
As I was working on break I wanted to see if the clutch system fluid glass reservoir was recoverable.

I found the nipple at Citroen 2cv dealer :

Tétine du bocal verre de maître cylindre de frein

Metal Brass Cylinder


Hand Auto part Finger Thumb


Beverage can Glass Aluminum can Tin Aluminium


Mason jar Water Drinkware Glass Tableware


The part is now nearly as new. But the question is : I never saw any other pictures of 2000 Touring with such part. Does anybody as also with type of clutch reservoir ?
(I have also the "traditional" Girling brake liquid reservoir)

Serge.
 
#47 ·
I recall reading that 2000s sold in France were required to have the separate reservoir. I think some 2000s were actually assembled in France, so perhaps that was the origin of this reservoir.
 
#48 ·
According to Girling documentation posted in other threads, 102 cars had a fluid reservoir as shown in illustration #111, which seems to be reservoir with two compartments. I didn't find any notes that would indicate different reservoirs were used for the French market.
 

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#49 ·
I have more than one picture of French 102's with a glass second reservoir. No idea what the real history is, but my hunch is some national regulation about separate reservoirs.

If no one is watching, just return to the original single reservoir as shown above. Works fine.
 
#50 ·
Hello,

Thank you very much for your answer.

I also believe that this glass reservoir is original : The system of fixation is really well done and the Girling Reservoir is like the one of the 2600, with one output. I don't know why somebody should decide to remove the single dual reservoir to replace it by 2.
It may be a specificity of the french regulation (the car is "French").
I love this kind of part that look brand new now. The mark is "Nivoclair" that phonetically means "clear level".

I will live it like that.
 
#51 ·
A bit late to this conversation, but on my 2000 Spider, it too has the glass reserve bottle and it too is a French import. In researching this when I first got the car, it was a French market requirement. Now, whether this was a requirement based on safety (dual reservoir and separate circuits for the front & rear brakes) or whether there needed to be some French content added to the car to avoid import duties (making the car "final assembly" done in France by Renault) was never clarified. While I've found the glass bottle and rubber components, like you, from a local Citroen parts dealer, he has been unable to locate a new aluminum cap, which is the one part I could use.

Do not lose that metal hour glass shaped piece seen in that glob of rubber in your first picture. Its used, I think, to help seal/secure the rubber to the glass and the brake line as well. It is not a super tight fit around the brake line, but I'm assuming its supposed to be that way, so perhaps it bubbles the rubber above and below it to help seal against the brake line as well.
 
#62 ·
While I've found the glass bottle and rubber components, like you, from a local Citroen parts dealer, he has been unable to locate a new aluminum cap, which is the one part I could use.
Dan, this supplier for French car parts in Germany seems to have the caps as a stock item (pictures below are from their web site). The item description in their catalog says:
"Cap for a brake fluid reservoir from glass. Thread about 44mm. Suitable for Citroen 11CV, 2CV, HY, Panhard, Peugeot 203, 403, 404."
The thread diameter of "about 44mm" would translate to about 1-3/4 inches, which probably would have to be verified before ordering.

 
#52 ·
Since there seems to be a pattern to this type of installation, it would be great to see pictures of it. Maybe there is a French service bulletin that was not published in other countries?
 
#53 ·
Im very interested in your brake work as well.
Seems from my poking around the only difference 2000 to 2600 was the backing plate and actual disk
eveything else appears the same
Does that seem right to you?
 
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