[Alfajay]

Oh, who cares of someone doesn't "get" the 164 ?

I figure the more people who don't like them, the more that will be available for us cognizenti. The LAST thing we need is for a 164 to be featured in some movie with George Clooney driving it!

This is sort of like the "Porsche vs Alfa" arguement - let's face it, the unwashed masses have voted for the team from Stuttgart, and who cares? Price a Giulietta vs a 356 someday - Giuliettas are readily available for enthusiasts, while 356 ownership is limited to hedge fund managers.

So, yea, pass the word: 164's are ugly, unreliable, ...