[ChazzyD]

I'll take the design of the 164 over the design of all the U.S. mainstream cars that are designed by the "jelly bean" committee, any day Claude. That is the Toyotas, Hondas, Infinitis, Lexus, Fords, Chevys, Saturns, Pontiacs, Buicks etc, etc, etc. All seem to be designed to the lowest common denominator of "safe". This car was designed in the 80s and still looks modern. It's OK, you don't have to get it, stop racking your brain. In general though, ALL cars must be judged by the time frame of their conception, it doesn't really matter how they stack up to cars designed or even engineered in the present day. BTW, how many '91 model cars do I pass in a day? Not that many really. Think of cars more as "time capsules." Products of their time. If they are still useful and appreciated (by whomever) 15-20 years later, you should be happy and leave those folks alone to enjoy them. Do I understand the love some people have for say, a SAAB Sonnet or an Opel GT, etc? No, but I have never owned one or studied one. I am happy that some folks enjoy them and I am SURE they have their reasons.
Charles