07-12-2007, 09:29 AM
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One of the "nitwits" speaks;
These cars were also not designed to take more than 150 to maybe 200 horsepower, but that does not stop many of us to plunk 3-400 horses in there! They were not designed to race - but we do it any way!
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Originally Posted by Alfar7
...I`ll repeat my concerns, that the 116 type chassis are not designed for additional stresses of coilovers on the front corner. And that is from experience...
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1) We DON'T install the coil-overs and remove torsion bars WITHOUT reinforcing that top shock-mount point (like we did on my and on Jes' 3.7 cars!) - You seem to respond well to pictures - see attached...
2) I know guys who have removed the torsion bars, installed coil-overs and did NOT reinforce the top mounts and who run WITHOUT any problems! I don't advocate it.
3) I know guys who have done the same and who have the top mount tear out - mostly due to rust and years of wear I'm sure, but still - you can not ask that flimsy top mount to now carry the weight of the car (in addition to suspension load), where it was not designed to do so.
4) With the RSR coil-over installation it is a "helper" setup - you RETAIN the stock torsion bars to carry the majority of the weight and load!
5) With literally HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of these setups running out there, how can you still argue that it is a problem? If you experienced it Richard - versus dreamed it - show pics or tell us more. Did you run coil-overs with the torsion bars removed and no reinforcement up there? Well, that is exactly what I say NOT to do!
With torsion bars and RSR - no reinforcement required.
Without torsion bars and just RSR - 50/50 - I recommend the welded reinforcement though!
I'm sure that if there were an improvement to be had with this drop-spindle modification (where's Larry Jr. on this - he has been doing them for years), then that advantage would continue with the RSR or whatever coil-over setup you go with!
Also, the largest torsion bar that you can fit only increases the spring-rate by about 60 kilos - this straight from somebody who has tested them! The 80 kilo per side, 100kg, 115kg, 125kg (and the end-result RACING IT THAT WAY), proves that what these cars want, is spring rate!
For the street - the 100 kilo front and 50 kilo rear has proven docile and mild and smooth and plenty soft for a daily driver! (For the record, Ron runs 200 kgs PER SIDE - IN ADDITION to the factory adjustable torsion bars in that works GTV6 of his!) On the 3.7 I am "only" going to 200 without the torsion bars.
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Last edited by junglejustice; 07-12-2007 at 09:51 AM.
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