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Longstone Tyre Pirelli CA67 165 X 400

I decided to go ahead and load up an OE version of wheels and tires, partly because one of my Dayton wires needs to go back for some straightening. I checked out the options for the Pirelli CA67, finding that Lucas Tire in the US offers them for $249 each. I did not check to see how much their freight charge would be. I discovered that Longstone Tyre in the UK offers them for 169.00 British Pounds, which equates to roughly $207 each. When I asked about freight from the UK to me, I was quoted FREE AIR FREIGHT!!! Sure enough, about a week after ordering the mailman attempted to deliver the first pair, but as he needed a signature, they went back to the post office. I picked them up the next day, and arrived home just in time to sign for the second pair. I also order four tubes, at 15 GBP, which were nicely wrapped up inside of the tires.

So, I don't know if the disparity is a bonus from Brexit and the strong US Dollar, or what. I certainly can't fathom a free air freight deal. But, there it is. They are all mounted and balanced on my freshly powder coated wheels, and going onto the car today.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I have Michelins on my factory rims for display, and Pirellis on my Boranni Bi-Metals for the road. I've been very pleased with the Pirellis, I find them less harsh and easier to live with than the Michelins. So does my wife, so that about settles it for me.

Just have to get my brakes back together now....
-Steve

BTW, last spring on a Lancia Reunion at Lone Pine, Ca., we had three blow outs of Michelin 165x400s on two Aurelias, one separating the whole outer tread from the carcass at highway speed. Though it was extremely hot that weekend, the tires were relatively fresh, as opposed to the 25+ yo ones we used to use due to lack of availability or funds.
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I have Michelins on my factory rims for display, and Pirellis on my Boranni Bi-Metals for the road. I've been very pleased with the Pirellis, I find them less harsh and easier to live with than the Michelins. So does my wife, so that about settles it for me.

Just have to get my brakes back together now....
-Steve

BTW, last spring on a Lancia Reunion at Lone Pine, Ca., we had three blow outs of Michelin 165x400s on two Aurelias, one separating the whole outer tread from the carcass at highway speed. Though it was extremely hot that weekend, the tires were relatively fresh, as opposed to the 25+ yo ones we used to use due to lack of availability or funds.
Pirelli is my go-to tire, given a choice. I put Pilot A/S Exaltos on the Montreal, because they offered the size I needed. But for performance, wear, handling, and durability, so far brand P has been, by far, the best.

I just got the wheels swapped out, so will take a drive shortly, given this brief interlude of relative warmth.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I drove the Roadster down to the gym today. First impressions of the CA67 are very good. Lighter steering force in slow speed turning, but about the same at speed. I wonder if they are lighter than the Michs, as I always had a sense of rotational-gyroscopic mass with them, and didn't notice it with the CA67s.

If the braking and wet behavior holds up, it may motivate ordering the Borannis. Gack.

No highway driving yet, and probably not for awhile. Brief warm burst today, but won't last.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I just had a set of Pirelli CN36 185/70 from Longstone mounted and balanced today on my 72 Spider with Campagnolo turbinas. Same solid experience with Longstone. What a delight, straight as an arrow and such lighter steering than the old bridgestones. Have a set of Vredestein classics (had em 2 years or would have bought the CA67's) for the 71. Will install them next week. New shoes and springtime. Oh yeah 12 new tie rod ends coming too. Both cars

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I have no complaint with non-relevant posts, but the intent was specifically about the new-ish production of 165X400 CA67s for the old "cast iron" 2000 and slightly later 2600s. For many decades we've had only Michelin sedan tires, but recently Pirelli rebooted the old Cinturato. It was something of a surprise that Longstone was willing to service the US, and on such favorable terms.

The postman was a bit non-plussed, however.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I have no complaint with non-relevant posts, but the intent was specifically about the new-ish production of 165X400 CA67s for the old "cast iron" 2000 and slightly later 2600s. For many decades we've had only Michelin sedan tires, but recently Pirelli rebooted the old Cinturato.
Yes, and let's not forget the 1900 owners -- many of which are also on 400 mm rims. It's great to hear how CA67 tires feel on the road.

-Ruedi
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I attribute some of the difference to the Pirellis' rayon belts vs. the Michelins' steel belts.

And as a former and potentially future Flaminia PF owner, I am encouraged by the possibility of 175x400 CA67s being offered.

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Yes,
I just got the Pirelli and tubes from longstone, delivered freely to Sweden with complimentary valves... I just need to get the sprint back on the road...
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Yes,
I just got the Pirelli and tubes from longstone, delivered freely to Sweden with complimentary valves... I just need to get the sprint back on the road...
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Not sure what "complementary valves" will do for your tubes, as they are already permanently attached.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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165SR400 Michelin X 165SR400 Michelin X weigh 8.075kg
165HR400 Cinturato CA67 165HR400 PIRELLI CINTURATO CA67 weighs 8.645kg

The Cinturato is a more robust tyre because it is more of a sports car tyre, so those rounded shoulders will mean a more gently break away when cornering. Possibly worth mentioning that the Cinturato also has an H speed rating.

The Michelin X is a bit more of a saloon car tyre, wher the carcass is designed to move while the tread stays still improving it's longevity.

Incidentally we also ship the Michelin X free of carriage to most places too.



175HR400 mentioned by B24Spyder is a tyre we are hoping to get made in the near future. does anyone know if this tyre was ever fitted to Alfa?


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Wasn't the 175X400 fitted to the 2600 Zagato? Not a lot of those racking up a lot of miles at this point.

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Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Yes, 175HR400 was standard equipment on 2600 SZ and a rarely used option on 2600 Sprint and Spider in 1964-67 (possibly coinciding with the introduction of Series 2 cars, or when Alfa started to offer alternators and twin fuel pumps as an option on 2600 Sprints). I think today, many 2600 Sprint/Spider owners would prefer a 175 wide tire if the price were about the same as for 165.

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Oo that is interesting.

The price won't be the same as the 165HR400 PIRELLI CINTURATO ™ CA67 | Longstone Tyres , but the difference will be rational.

I shall let you know when i know more.
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Well here is some exciting news hot off the press.

Pirelli have just contacted me an told me that by the end of the month we should have a small production of 175HR400 Cinturato tyres.

These tyres are predominantly for the Lancia Flaminia, as they have an anniversary in May. but they also fitted 250 Ferraris when fitted with the 400 mm Borrani's. it is good news that they fitted Alfa to. It makes the production of that size a little more viable.

Please help me spread the news.

If they are of interest contact Longstone, or your local dealer listed here www.cinturato.net

It is worth noting that with the Flaminia it was only the more pedestrian models that fitted 175. The special bodied cars and sporting cars, where handling was valued over comfort and longer gearing fitted the 165. However today with all these motorways and speed bumps a taller tyre that fills the wheel arches has to be tempting
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