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post #46 of 234 (permalink) Old 08-14-2016, 12:09 PM Thread Starter
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As I was working on break I wanted to see if the clutch system fluid glass reservoir was recoverable.

I found the nipple at Citroen 2cv dealer :

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The part is now nearly as new. But the question is : I never saw any other pictures of 2000 Touring with such part. Does anybody as also with type of clutch reservoir ?
(I have also the "traditional" Girling brake liquid reservoir)

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I recall reading that 2000s sold in France were required to have the separate reservoir. I think some 2000s were actually assembled in France, so perhaps that was the origin of this reservoir.

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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According to Girling documentation posted in other threads, 102 cars had a fluid reservoir as shown in illustration #111, which seems to be reservoir with two compartments. I didn't find any notes that would indicate different reservoirs were used for the French market.
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I have more than one picture of French 102's with a glass second reservoir. No idea what the real history is, but my hunch is some national regulation about separate reservoirs.

If no one is watching, just return to the original single reservoir as shown above. Works fine.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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Hello,

Thank you very much for your answer.

I also believe that this glass reservoir is original : The system of fixation is really well done and the Girling Reservoir is like the one of the 2600, with one output. I don't know why somebody should decide to remove the single dual reservoir to replace it by 2.
It may be a specificity of the french regulation (the car is "French").
I love this kind of part that look brand new now. The mark is "Nivoclair" that phonetically means "clear level".

I will live it like that.
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A bit late to this conversation, but on my 2000 Spider, it too has the glass reserve bottle and it too is a French import. In researching this when I first got the car, it was a French market requirement. Now, whether this was a requirement based on safety (dual reservoir and separate circuits for the front & rear brakes) or whether there needed to be some French content added to the car to avoid import duties (making the car "final assembly" done in France by Renault) was never clarified. While I've found the glass bottle and rubber components, like you, from a local Citroen parts dealer, he has been unable to locate a new aluminum cap, which is the one part I could use.

Do not lose that metal hour glass shaped piece seen in that glob of rubber in your first picture. Its used, I think, to help seal/secure the rubber to the glass and the brake line as well. It is not a super tight fit around the brake line, but I'm assuming its supposed to be that way, so perhaps it bubbles the rubber above and below it to help seal against the brake line as well.
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Since there seems to be a pattern to this type of installation, it would be great to see pictures of it. Maybe there is a French service bulletin that was not published in other countries?

-Ruedi
'63 2600 Touring Spider (AR 191437, the car that started the 2000/2600 International Register, reassembly in progress)
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Im very interested in your brake work as well.
Seems from my poking around the only difference 2000 to 2600 was the backing plate and actual disk
eveything else appears the same
Does that seem right to you?

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Seems from my poking around the only difference 2000 to 2600 was the backing plate and actual disk
eveything else appears the same
Does that seem right to you?
I don't know yet.
I will give you the information as soon as I'll have disassembled the front system.
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Thank you, and appreciate the info on the caliper, be easy to upgrade to a 4 pot wilwood system
17-1212 - Wilwood Brakes E-Type Series III
Is the bolt pattern the same between the jag and the Alfa as well?
this could be fun, be nice to fit a jag IIRC....

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1. All 2000s had front and rear drums.
2. All 2600s had front disks.
3. Some 2600s had rear drums, and later models had rear disks.
4. Early 2000s had manually adjusted drums. Very late ones had self adjusting.
5. It is possible that the early 2600s had the same self adjusting rear drumbrake assemblies as the late 2000, but I don't know.

So the only possible similarity in 2000 and 2600 brakes would be the rear brakes.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Bonjour mes amis

I'm an avid reader of your exploits on all things a-2000/2600 Touring, but most of my time is spent next door in the 750/101 Giulietta Forum...

Regarding the glass reservoir, my 0.02 Lira's worth is that Giulietta's sold in France were also required to have a glass brake fluid reservoir and this was due to Safety Legislation of the time which stated that the level of brake fluid had to be visible at all times when the bonnet was opened.

Blame the Bureaucracy, in this case it's French & not Italian

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Don, I understand the layout between models, I was refering to the uprights.
Ive read they are the same and the bolt up drum to disc is the same as well
Hence the idea one could literally unbolt the drum assy, add the dust shield and disc from a 2600 (or compatible) to covert them
Since the owner has both, I was looking to verify that just to know
We are actually changing the front suspension to a coil over from a Jag XJS, so for me not really an issue.
Thought it interesting that the jag calipers are the same as that part we were keeping and I wanted something more aggressive that matchs our setup
All great info and keeps my brain active as the metal magic happens to the body this summer
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Coucou Greig,

You must be right.

One of my best friend is the owner of a wonderful 1964 Giulia Spider. His car is originally equipped with a Nivoclair.
My car is equipped with 2 reservoirs. One, "normal", a Girling. The other, in glass, a Nivoclair. I was thinking that this reservoir, which is smaller than the Girling one, was used for the clutch circuit.

But thanks to your answer, I have just check and I can confirm that the Nivoclair is plugged on the break circuit.

Many thanks for all these clarifications.
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Hello, enjoying the thread, and the french nuance between cars
to help your already excellent english (wish my french was even marginally close)
Break=broken/damaged
Brake=part of your car that stop it

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